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Reply #15 - 08/05/08 at 10:22:26
 
My fault.  I meant to say "on" instead of "primary".  I run dry of fuel on both "on" and "res" but have no problems with primary.  I have replaced the vacuum line twice and used hose clamps that can be tightened both times.  I doubt the issue is with my hose but I guess anything is possible.  I don't suspect the carb since the bike runs great less than sustained 65 miles per hour.  I have noticed to when I try to switch from "primary" to on to see if the problem persists the value has been stuck.  With a little force I can move it.  Maybe it needs cleaning.  I'm going to limp through until it starts snowing then plan on taking the pet thingy off and inspect/clean it.
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Reply #16 - 08/05/08 at 15:06:28
 
Another thing... The bike is 8 years old not and only had 6800 miles when I bought it.  That means it has set a while.  I was considering pulling the carb and cleaning it to just to see what it looks like.  I have worked on cars both for fun and professionally but have never worked on bikes.  Do you have to have a carb kit to open it up and clean it.  I also live at 7000 feet and am wondering if I need to re-jet it since the air is so thin up here.  I'm in Flagstaff, AZ and 1200 feet Phoenix is only 2 hours from here but I know I will never take the bike out of this elevation so I won't have to worry about burning up the engine if I set it up for the elevation.  Any words of advice???  I'm anxious to get her running top notch all around!
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Reply #17 - 08/05/08 at 15:14:53
 
Pri = Prime not Primary: It is used to refuel the bowl when you drain the bowl for carb work or after it has set long enough to evaporate the fuel out of the bowl. In this position it is gravity fed.

On: Is the normal operating position, it is vacuum operated which means fuel should not flow from the tank into the carb unless it is running providing the necessary vacuum.

Res + reserve: It operates the same as the "On" position. It lowers the fuel pickup to be able to get the last bit of fuel, usually approximately 20 more miles worth.

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Reply #18 - 08/05/08 at 18:40:50
 
If I was having your problem, I would march right down to the dealer and order a new petcock.  $60, 20 minutes, and you're back on the road.  I don't know how big a dent $60 would leave in your wallet, but it sounds to me like it would fix what ails you.  That's what I did, and haven't regretted it once.
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Reply #19 - 08/06/08 at 12:48:30
 
ok so i have heard of the manual petcock.   what is this about?  people talk about doing the petcock mod but no one tells us how?  or at least i can't find it.
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Reply #20 - 08/06/08 at 12:52:03
 
Here..
http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=tech;action=display;num=1113631600

It's right in the Table of Contents in the Tech Docs
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Reply #21 - 08/06/08 at 20:09:55
 
Thanks.  I knew i saw that somewhere!  that's a big help
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Reply #22 - 08/07/08 at 11:21:37
 
I replaced the vacuum tube and still it persists.  I ran it on res and on and it died but when i run it on prime it runs fine.  so do you think the petcock mod will work? until i can buy a new one.
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Reply #23 - 08/07/08 at 11:31:24
 
There are a couple of possible problems,
1st the vac line... you've fixed that by replacing it.  did you also puts clamps on the ends?
2nd... dirt or other blockage in the screens.  2 places to check, remove the petcock from the tank (empty tank) and check the screen for debree and varnish.  Also, there's a screen on the float valve.  you need to diassemble the carb to get at it.
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Reply #24 - 08/08/08 at 15:24:31
 
verslagen1 wrote on 08/07/08 at 11:31:24:
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2nd... dirt or other blockage in the screens.  2 places to check, remove the petcock from the tank (empty tank) and check the screen for debree and varnish.  Also, there's a screen on the float valve.  you need to diassemble the carb to get at it.


So,  I don't have a petcock assembly in hand and it's been a year since I did.....  Doesn't the PRI fuel path run thru the RES port in the tank???  Wouldn't the screen be clogged for both??  And,  the tiny screen on the carb by the float,  wouldn't that cause same issue in PRI too???

Sounds like a Vacuum issue, but why???   If the diaphram in the petcock was bad, I think the issue would be flooding not starving for fuel......  If you had a vac leak somewhere else then WOT would cause weak vac at the Petcock.

Here is a test to check for vacuum leak.  Start the bike. Then while idling, spray WD40 around the rubber intake manifold and the other misc spots on the carb (and Petcock?).  If the idle changes you found a leak.  Once fixed, buy some engine degreaser and clean up.  NOTE: You could use carb cleaner but that can damage some paints.    

EDIT: just remembered someone previously said to check all the tank & Carb vents.  The idea was that, at speed, the restricted vents would not allow fuel into the carb fast enough..... but I think that would also be one of the "would also be noticed in PRI"
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Reply #25 - 08/10/08 at 21:41:36
 
I've not yet had a Savage petcock apart, but isn't there a failure mode with the diaphragm or diaphragm spring where it does not fully respond to engine vacuum, thus causing a lean or no-fuel condition in ON or RES?

It would have to be a failure mode where gasoline did not leak into the vacuum line.

Just thinkin' out loud.
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Reply #26 - 08/10/08 at 21:56:01
 
leaky vac line

and someone said the diaphram can get hard.
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Reply #27 - 08/25/08 at 17:14:55
 
502z exactly described my issue.  i bought my first bike yesterday!  already i'm hitting the forums.   Sad

I have a 2006 savage with 236 miles.

When the switch is set to "RES" or "ON" it dies.  The previous owner thought PRI was "PRIMARY" so he never used the others.  I read manuals, so I tried the "ON" switch right away.  Is the vacuum actuated fuel switch something that is easily replaced?  I'm no mechanic.  Can you walk me through it with a good description?  Thanks!
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Reply #28 - 08/25/08 at 17:42:11
 
Replacing it is VERY simple.  Some will say that there are other steps you might want to take.  If you want to swap it out, I'll walk you through it.
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Reply #29 - 08/26/08 at 02:17:30
 
let me ask as dumber question--is the 'fuel switch' the same thing as the 'petcock' people are talking about in these posts?  if so, i agree it would be a simple change out.  if not, where is it located and how much does it cost?  

would it be better to remove the petcock and hit it with brake cleaner?  or switch it out first?  

lots of questions....   thanks in advance!
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