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saratovich Junior Member Offline Posts: 58	4th to 5th gear shifting issue? 06/07/08 at 15:37:59 Got a 50 miler in today in between the rains. I noticed that shifting from 4th > 5th sometimes feels like a 1/2 notch that requires a double lift on the shifter to engage 5th gear. I tried it several times, sometimes it shifts just fine . . . is this normal or another issue? 2003, 2250 miles. Thanks!
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Sandy Koocanusa Serious Thumper Offline Don't blame me. I didn't vote for him. Posts: 1878 Bigfork, MT Gender:	Re: 4th to 5th gear shifting issue? Reply #1 - 06/07/08 at 15:46:48 That's never happened on mine once. I don't even get half a click above 4th. Just hits a wall, no matter how many times I pull up on it. 1987, 5000+ miles. I don't know about it directly, but I remember reading about it. Search on "false neutral". I think that will get you to the thread.
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Re: 4th to 5th gear shifting issue?
Reply #2 - 06/07/08 at 17:37:16

I have the same issue. I bought a 1998 LS650 Savage about three weeks ago. When I shift from 4th to 5th, especially if the bike hasnt been ran in a day or more, I have to pull up on the shifter and maintain a constant pressure until it "clicks" into place. Usually takes an extra half second or so until it goes into place.

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Jonny_Chicago Serious Thumper Offline Nazis, f**k off! Posts: 513 Chicago, IL Gender:	Re: 4th to 5th gear shifting issue? Reply #4 - 06/07/08 at 19:02:14 same here. I always double clutch when shifting. Seems to help.
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Re: 4th to 5th gear shifting issue?
Reply #5 - 06/07/08 at 21:55:26

there's false neutral between 4th and 5th. Sometimes it'll also just stick. I'll shift up but the lever will only go halfway unless I let the clutch out a wee bit, then it goes right into 5th. Between 4th and 5th is such a small jump though I'm often not sure whether or not it's shifted. Check your oil level. Seems to shift much easier when the oil is higher in the sight glass. Other than that my only suggestion is to let the clutch lever out before you let the shift lever drop back down.

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MAYES YaBB Newbies Offline The SAVAGE beast!!! Posts: 27 Ohio Gender:	Re: 4th to 5th gear shifting issue? Reply #6 - 06/08/08 at 05:32:22 I too have this problem. Mine also seemstoo shift hard throughout the gears sometimes. I use the recomended 10/40.My bike has 8000+miles on it
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Re: 4th to 5th gear shifting issue?
Reply #7 - 06/08/08 at 07:15:48

Have you guys tried not using the clutch? I use it going into second, but after that, its really not needed. The Jump in gears from 1st to second is pretty big & I have had it Pop out of second after I goosed it, so I use the clutch. Mine feels like it isnt quite "Clicking" into0 5th often, but it always works & later, when I clutch it & try to seat it into fifth better, its always all the way in, so I dont worry,just ride

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Re: 4th to 5th gear shifting issue?
Reply #8 - 06/08/08 at 07:24:59

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 06/08/08 at 07:15:48:

Have you guys tried not using the clutch? I use it going into second, but after that, its really not needed. The Jump in gears from 1st to second is pretty big & I have had it Pop out of second after I goosed it, so I use the clutch. Mine feels like it isnt quite "Clicking" into0 5th often, but it always works & later, when I clutch it & try to seat it into fifth better, its always all the way in, so I dont worry,just ride

I rarely use the clutch at all on the 4-5 shift except when down-shifting. If you feather the throttle back just a bit as you go up from 4th to 5th it will shift so smooth you'll barely be able to feel it. Works well on both my 99s. I also bypass using the clutch on on some other shifting depending on conditions; but up from 4-5 is a consistent thing.

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Re: 4th to 5th gear shifting issue?
Reply #9 - 06/08/08 at 08:07:35

What a relief!!

A big THAKS for the info guys . . . I was fearing the "money pit" was calling again! Undecided

It's nice to know it's "a Savage thing."

The oil is on the top mark in the sight glass and I'm currently using Rotella 5-40 as the daytime temps on the tundra have been in the 60s and sometimes the low 70s.

Yesterday, it was in the mid 80s. May be time to start using the 15-40.

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Re: 4th to 5th gear shifting issue?
Reply #10 - 06/08/08 at 18:14:43

I had similar issue in 4->5 changes. When I removed my clutch to replace the cam chain I noticed that the clutch hub nut had loosened, and had a degree or so of play against the bent tabbed washer. In re-assembly I made darn sure the nut was tight and the washer was bent hard up against both faces on a corner. Since then gear changing has been much better across the board.

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Re: 4th to 5th gear shifting issue?
Reply #11 - 06/08/08 at 19:06:32

I also experience a periodic problem going from 4 to 5 on my 07 S-40. If I hold the clutch in for just a tad longer before making the shift, the up-shift seems much better. Sometimes there seems to be an issue ... almost like things aren't meshing... no grinding just difficulty in getting into 5th. Shifts also seem better just to quickly toe up whether it feels like the change has taken place or not. I am running Castrol V-twin synthetic, but this issue was present before changing lubricants.

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: 4th to 5th gear shifting issue? Reply #12 - 06/08/08 at 20:27:50 It'll downshift easy as pie if ya give it a goose just as ya slip it out of gear. The jump from 2 to 1 is so big, IF I do it, I have to be in full race adrenaline, or Ill make a mess of it./
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Re: 4th to 5th gear shifting issue?
Reply #13 - 06/09/08 at 14:07:59

I have this problem to, but don't really consider it a "problem". As mentioned, try bypassing the clutch. Works like a charm. If you're not comfortable with that, then just apply steady pressure on the shifter as you shift. It will fell like it's only going half way in (between 4th and 5th), but keep pulling up with your toes as you let out the clutch and apply the gas, it should slip the rest of the way in.

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vargas Junior Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 70	Re: 4th to 5th gear shifting issue? Reply #14 - 06/10/08 at 06:40:20 i asked the same question a week or so ago. got mosy of the same replies. one thing that i noticed though was that even when i didn't feel like it clicked all the way into fifth,there were always 4 downshifts back to first. not trying to hijack your post, but how could that be- 4 downshifts without being in 5th?
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