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cafeboy Ex Member	5 speed trans 11/20/06 at 13:05:16 hi guy i am new here. can any one tell me if i can put the 5 speed trans. gears from a 98 in a 4 speed 87 ? i love the savage but another gear would be nice. thanks (cafeboy)
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Re: 5 speed trans
Reply #1 - 11/21/06 at 03:49:11

Short answer>>>>>>>>>> NO

Long answer:

The 5 speed gearbox has 2 axles for the shiftforks in the transmission. The 4 speed has one. Hence the crankcase is different.

You can however put the '98 engine in the '87 frame.
(Or use the bottom-end of the 98 and the top-end of the 87)

BUT
The ignition parts have been changed over the years.
Differences: the rotor, pick-up and the CDI

The easy way to install the '98 engine in the '87 frame; install the '98 CDI together with the engine.

Greetz
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cafeboy Ex Member	Re: 5 speed trans Reply #2 - 11/21/06 at 05:25:11 thanks. i hate to say it but there may be a lot of ??? (cafeboy)
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Kropatchek Serious Thumper Offline Why more than 1 cylinder? Posts: 1457 Alphen a/d Rijn Netherlands Gender:	Re: 5 speed trans Reply #3 - 11/21/06 at 09:09:00 cafeboy wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:11: thanks. i hate to say it but there may be a lot of ??? (cafeboy) Spent some time reading the forum. Use the search function. Get a workshop manual. Pose the questions. I.a.w. enjoy Greetz Kropatchek
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mickthelimey Ex Member	Re: 5 speed trans Reply #4 - 11/21/06 at 23:09:00 Strange as it seems if and when you get a five speed you will still be looking for one more gear,some times it's hard to tell the difference between 4th and 5th,very little difference in RPM.
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Kropatchek Serious Thumper Offline Why more than 1 cylinder? Posts: 1457 Alphen a/d Rijn Netherlands Gender:	Re: 5 speed trans Reply #5 - 11/22/06 at 02:31:01 mick wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:11: Strange as it seems if and when you get a five speed you will still be looking for one more gear,some times it's hard to tell the difference between 4th and 5th,very little difference in RPM. 400 to be exact. Greetz Kropatchek
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luken Full Member Offline Posts: 147 Mesa, az Gender:	Re: 5 speed trans Reply #6 - 11/22/06 at 07:14:40 If there was a Savage Jeopardy I would put my money of Krop.
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Kropatchek Serious Thumper Offline Why more than 1 cylinder? Posts: 1457 Alphen a/d Rijn Netherlands Gender:	Re: 5 speed trans Reply #7 - 11/23/06 at 08:46:22 luken wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:11: If there was a Savage Jeopardy I would put my money of Krop. What's a jeopardy? Greetz Kropatchek ???
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Ed L. Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline "We All go a Little Crazy Sometimes" Norman Bates Posts: 2808 Sunny Florida Gender:	Re: 5 speed trans Reply #8 - 11/23/06 at 10:32:07 Kropatchek, Jeopardy is a very popular TV game show where the players answer questions about different topics. A Savage Jeopardy would ony have questions about the bike which is why we all would put our money on you. Happy Thanksgiving from the States
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smokey02 Full Member Offline Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like bananas Posts: 233 Alta Loma, California Gender:	Re: 5 speed trans Reply #9 - 11/23/06 at 10:37:33 Jeopardy is a U.S. game show on tv. Have any machinists figured out a higher ratio set of gears to replace 5th? put me down for a set.
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Kropatchek Serious Thumper Offline Why more than 1 cylinder? Posts: 1457 Alphen a/d Rijn Netherlands Gender:	Re: 5 speed trans Reply #10 - 11/24/06 at 03:08:31 Thanks guys. The more you learn, the more you discover that there's a lot more to learn. Greetz Kropatchek
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geo Full Member Offline I'm a Savage Posts: 204 Orlando Gender:	Re: 5 speed trans Reply #11 - 11/26/06 at 16:49:25 This bike never needed the 5th speed. I NEVER use it. If you want to do 80mph all day, get a bigger bike.
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HeresPaco

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Re: 5 speed trans
Reply #12 - 11/26/06 at 17:37:04

geo wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:11:

This bike never needed the 5th speed. I NEVER use it.
If you want to do 80mph all day, get a bigger bike.

Absolutely! The little Savage is a nice bike for short easy commutes. It was never intended for the long big open highway trip nor is it suited for that. It does a fun job of what it was intended for. My wife loves it for the short rides and so do I. For long rides we use a Goldwing with trailer, a Katana and/or a Valkyrie.

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Re: 5 speed trans
Reply #13 - 11/26/06 at 22:59:22

Maybe I'm one of the crazies, but I didn't find "the little engine that could" at all bad on the open highway for long haul trippin'. I did 4,200 miles on my 2k LS from southern MN to Miami, FL and back this lat August. The only changes I had made to the bike at that time were a V-Star saddle seat and a 4 gallon tour tank that I hung from the back of the sissy bar. I did a few 500+ mile days and as long as I stayed a tich under 70 mph the vibrations weren't even that bad. On the way home the Harley guys even let me ride a ways with them as they were headed to Sturgis. I'm even toying around with the idea of a winter run down to Langtry(sp) in western TX this winter once I get this softail tank on and the head gasket oil leak taken care of. That should put around 3k more miles on my little bike.

I've considered a bigger bike from time to time (neighbor has an extra Wing in his garage), but it all comes down to ease of working on it, ease of picking it up (they all go down eventually) and flexibility. I've already crossed creeks, fields and dirt trails on this thing that I would never think of getting near with a "real" bike. It's a plenty comfortable ride for me on the highway too so this could be my starter and only bike for quite a while. Despite the returning oil leak I seem to keep getting from a different place each time.

And yeah, when/if the higher fifth gear comes into being, I'll take one too. Wouldn't mind averaging around 60 mpg instead of 55 on the big slab.

JC

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klinc

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Re: 5 speed trans
Reply #14 - 11/27/06 at 17:10:03

Kropatchek wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:11:

Short answer>>>>>>>>>> NO

Long answer:

The 5 speed gearbox has 2 axles for the shiftforks in the transmission. The 4 speed has one. Hence the crankcase is different.

You can however put the '98 engine in the '87 frame.
(Or use the bottom-end of the 98 and the top-end of the 87)

BUT
The ignition parts have been changed over the years.
Differences: the rotor, pick-up and the CDI

The easy way to install the '98 engine in the '87 frame; install the '98 CDI together with the engine.

Greetz
Kropatchek Grin

What he said.... I put a 98 engine into a 87 frame. I fought a "backfire" problem for a week until I found out the CDI (ignitor, computer, whatever you want to call it) needed changed too. After that ran all fine.

So, swap the motor and the ignitor box (had to solder the connector off the 98 wire set onto the 87 wire set too) and you got your 5 gears.

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