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Engine dies with full tank?
10/29/06 at 13:20:58

Ok, this has got me stumped. Riding along at 70 MPH, the bike starts hesitation slightly like it's about to run out of fuel, then WHAM! I lost power, with full throttle all I could do was coast to the side of the road. I gave her a once over and didn't notice anything wrong. Hit the starter and she fired up and drove the last 5 miles home fine.

Is the float level adjustable? It's acting like fuel flow can't keep up, but I did the fuel petc0ck mod and verified LOTS of flow, way more than my bike could possibly burn!

Could my bike be running so lean it's flamming out a hot engine? Of course it was about 45 degrees today...

Help?

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barry68v10 Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 955 Maryland Gender:	Re: Engine dies with full tank? Reply #1 - 10/29/06 at 13:24:51 BTW, I had a full tank of gas and the bike is stock other than the fuelcock conversion, removal of internal screen and addition of external fuel filter... Again, thanks for any suggestions since the only thing I could think to do is just start tearing things apart to see what I could find.
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Re: Engine dies with full tank?
Reply #2 - 10/29/06 at 13:31:13

Check the gas cap, there is a vent in it that can get plugged up and causes an air lock. The cap can be taken apart and cleaned but I've never tried it. Dirt in the main jet would do the same but you would always have the problem. Also try draining the float bowl, a little water would cause the bike to shut off at speed also. Luck with it

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Reply #3 - 10/29/06 at 14:03:26

Ok, I took apart the fuel cap and cleaned/inspected it. Verified airflow and removed the upper rubber gasket to improve airflow into the tank, but I didn't notice by blowing on the vent hole that there was any noticable increase in air flow there. On to the next step...

BTW, thanks for the input Ed L! I never would have thought to look at the fuel cap (whether or not that turns out to be the problem.)

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Brewbrother Serious Thumper Offline Just lending a helping hand. Posts: 953 Gender:	Re: Engine dies with full tank? Reply #4 - 10/29/06 at 19:31:19 carb piston sticking??
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Reply #5 - 10/29/06 at 20:06:29

Possible vacuum line kink? That happened to me once, going around 55 & it quit. Checked, had gas in the tank, started it up & it got me home. My carb vacuum line was flat/kinked in one spot. It happened because I had shortened the line a bit after tearing a hole in the end from pulling it off. Made too sharp of a bend to stay round. Anyway, replaced it & it worked fine.

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azjay Serious Thumper Offline aridzona... its a dry heat Posts: 816 Gender:	Re: Engine dies with full tank? Reply #6 - 10/30/06 at 05:15:36 perhaps icing of the slide? cool air flowing and moisture could cause icing. when the engine was shut off for a couple minutes, air flow stops, warm engine clears icing, continue. we've had those issues with vw and corvair air cooled motors when the manifold warmers are clogged or removed.
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28884 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Engine dies with full tank? Reply #7 - 10/30/06 at 07:20:31 Had the tank off lately? The California version also has a vent line from the tank to a canister under the seat which I think is connected to the air box.
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Re: Engine dies with full tank?
Reply #8 - 10/30/06 at 18:49:34

babbalou wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:10:

Possible vacuum line kink? That happened to me once, going around 55 & it quit. Checked, had gas in the tank, started it up & it got me home. My carb vacuum line was flat/kinked in one spot. It happened because I had shortened the line a bit after tearing a hole in the end from pulling it off. Made too sharp of a bend to stay round. Anyway, replaced it & it worked fine.

Exact same experience! Now that I heard someone else have the problem. Mine did not shut down at full throttle although I have had some rough idle when starting out. I remember seeing a kink in the line cause i rerouted the line when I replaced it . I made it to long. So I resized it and properly routed the hose
BABBALOU: How did you get it back in the protective spring? Did you use fuel line hose or something more thick to keep the line from colapsing?
Thanks for your help, didn't mean to go off topic.

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Re: Engine dies with full tank?
Reply #9 - 10/30/06 at 18:58:10

Okay, cleaning the fuel cap and draining the float bowl seems to have fixed the problem. Although I don't really trust it now because while cruising at constant speed of around 60 mph, the bike has small but constant hesitations then surges. I think it's because the bike is running really lean (stock white-spacer and jetting) and occasionally I'll crack the throttle to see if I'm having the same problem and it responds with power so I think I'm okay now... ???

Thanks for the great ideas all.

P.S. I did the petc0ck conversion so there is no vaccum line running to my carb anymore Grin

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Re: Engine dies with full tank?
Reply #10 - 10/30/06 at 19:15:05

Fido_the_Cat wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:10:

Exact same experience! Now that I heard someone else have the problem. Mine did not shut down at full throttle although I have had some rough idle when starting out. I remember seeing a kink in the line cause i rerouted the line when I replaced it . I made it to long. So I resized it and properly routed the hose
BABBALOU: How did you get it back in the protective spring? Did you use fuel line hose or something more thick to keep the line from colapsing?
Thanks for your help, didn't mean to go off topic.

I'd cut off maybe an inch & it made too sharp of a bend. I ended up just buying a new line from the dealer. Still working fine. I'm more careful now pulling off that hose so I don't rip it again.

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barry68v10 Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 955 Maryland Gender:	Re: Engine dies with full tank? Reply #11 - 11/01/06 at 12:56:26 Thanks everyone for the input. Here's what I did: 1. Clean out fuel cap 2. Drain fuel bowl I've been riding for the last few days and had no problems. Yesterday on the way to work was the coldest riding conditions yet and no problems. Not sure which action fixed the problem, but it seems fixed! 8)
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