Donate!
Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register :: View Members
Pages: 1
Send Topic Print
650ls is AMAZING! No-power problem solved!! (pics) (Read 73 times)
Stimpy - FSO
Serious Thumper
*****
Offline

SuzukisSavage Int'l
Division

Posts: 1203
Germany - formerly SD, SoCal
Gender: male
650ls is AMAZING! No-power problem solved!! (pics)
09/11/06 at 20:02:40
 
Hey! Remember my "overheating" problem a few months back?

...Well, itīs fixed and it was NOT what we all thought it was.

We were all focusing the overheating and no passing power (top speed 60mph) on the carb, spark plug, timing and/or exhaust system but it turns out it was MUCH WORSE than that.

BASICALLY some idiot (Iīm the 3rd owner) assembled the oil pump wrong somehow last time he opened the clutch cover for some reason and it seems it had been working poorly lately.

What happened after that is that the whole valve system stop getting lubricated correctly and it mearly "survived" on oil splashing up from the crank case but after that it was metal against metal for 100īs of miles!

The push rod got almost round. (see pics)
The rocker arms got shaved good a couple of milimiters.
The timing chain steached to its limit and got wobbly.
The chainīs autoadjuster was just about to give way.
The chainīs guides got all chipped away.
Amazingly the valves were fine and just needed ajudsting.

After the repair the bike went from the equivalent of a 125cc to a 600cc!!! I had no idea.

Now it goes 0-60 in 3 seconds flat and reaches about 95mph on a staight line, crazy.

The repair costs and parts totaled about $500USD+ but well worth it.

PIC 1   All the parts that were replaced.
http://www.ricardoponce.fotopic.net/p33957448.html

PIC 2    Can you see the damage?!
http://www.ricardoponce.fotopic.net/p33957449.html

Hope this helps someone.

Iīll take pics of my bike "Nasty" soon (juat a black 97ī, mostly stock except for the jet kit, exhaust, extra horn and a halogen bulb, skid/engine plate soon) and post them here but I need to give it a good wash and find a nice location first  Grin


Thanks Guys!
Richard P.
Back to top
 
« Last Edit: 06/29/09 at 22:41:27 by Stimpy - FSO »  

Recently sold 97'savage (change of residence) - looking to buy another - just bought a temp, a great SR125 called 'methadone'
WWW Stimpy - FSO   IP Logged
Trippah
Serious Thumper
*****
Offline

I ride, therefore I
am.

Posts: 2517
central Mass
Gender: male
Re: 650LS is AMAZING! No power problem SOLVED!!!(p
Reply #1 - 09/11/06 at 20:33:59
 
Amazing- we all know that friction is a major source of heat- but your situation is just amazing.  Glad to hear your back in motion.
Back to top
 
 
  IP Logged
Reelthing
Serious Thumper
Alliance Member
*****
Offline

Fish or ride that is
the question

Posts: 5397
Houston,Tx
Gender: male
Re: 650LS is AMAZING! No power problem SOLVED!!!(p
Reply #2 - 09/12/06 at 05:48:33
 
If you don't have one already - might be a real good idea to order in a magnetic drain plug - your liable to have some bits of metal floating around
Back to top
 
 
  IP Logged
LANCER
Serious Thumper
Alliance Member
*****
Online

Savage Beast
Performance Parts

Posts: 10603
Oklahoma
Gender: male
Re: 650LS is AMAZING! No power problem SOLVED!!!(p
Reply #3 - 09/12/06 at 06:19:55
 
The closeup of the rocker/cam is amazingly telling.
The Savage engine is quite machine.  With all of that going on and it was still running.
Back to top
 
 
  IP Logged
Max_Morley
Serious Thumper
*****
Offline

LT650 Luxury Touring
& sidecar rig

Posts: 1490
Moses Lake. WA
Gender: male
Re: 650LS is AMAZING! No power problem SOLVED!!!(p
Reply #4 - 09/12/06 at 11:20:08
 
Almost hate to ask this question. Did you clean the oil pump pickup strainer or did you get the engine that far apart. If not did you backflush it at least to insure the oil pump inlet isn't restricted. If it is you may get to do the jpb over.  ?http://suzukisavage.com/bbs/YaBBImages/huh.gif??
Back to top
 
 

Max at Thumper Acres. '96 Savage bagger, '03 Savage w/Cozy sidecar for wifeni.
  IP Logged
Stimpy - FSO
Serious Thumper
*****
Offline

SuzukisSavage Int'l
Division

Posts: 1203
Germany - formerly SD, SoCal
Gender: male
Re: 650LS is AMAZING! No power problem SOLVED!!!(p
Reply #5 - 09/12/06 at 12:05:20
 
...oil pump strainer? (page 117 manual)

Iīm pretty sure I did, it had some tiny shavings stuck to it (the pump itself was not working properly for a long time) but I think most of metal were tinytiny scraps floting in the oil itself.

That magnetic drainplug sounds like a good idea but what about the aluminum shavings, where can one order one anyway?

I think I have no choice but to change the oil a couple of more times (hot, not warm) every 100 miles then 300 or so.

Yeah, that savage motor is amazing; the bike was in this condition for at least 1,000 miles (that I drove) and before that who knows. It always started on the first try, drove it 2-3 times a week and had decent power too, all things considered.  

Eventually it lost power and the valves sounded like an old school trolling outboard motor. Clink, clink, clink. It was time to go to the ER.
Back to top
 
 

Recently sold 97'savage (change of residence) - looking to buy another - just bought a temp, a great SR125 called 'methadone'
WWW Stimpy - FSO   IP Logged
Jim_R
Ex Member




Re: 650ls is AMAZING! No-power problem solved!! (p
Reply #6 - 09/12/06 at 13:15:17
 
http://www.magneticdrainplug.com/

is where I got mine.  After my top cylinder rebuild, it caught alot of loose metal.  Im thinking anything alum will be picked up by the oil filter itself.  U might want to consider changing your oil and filter after 400-600 miles (using a magnetic plug as well) to get some of that crap out before going long distances between oil changes.  Couldnt hurt thats for sure.

Now it goes 0-60 in 3 seconds flat .  haha UH HUH! rite
Back to top
 
 
  IP Logged
Island_Biker
Ex Member




Re: 650ls is AMAZING! No-power problem solved!! (p
Reply #7 - 09/12/06 at 14:08:05
 
it is amazing that the machine was running at all.
Back to top
 
 
  IP Logged
Stimpy - FSO
Serious Thumper
*****
Offline

SuzukisSavage Int'l
Division

Posts: 1203
Germany - formerly SD, SoCal
Gender: male
Re: 650ls is AMAZING! No-power problem solved!! (p
Reply #8 - 09/12/06 at 23:20:34
 
Yeah, ok, maybe not 3 seconds but that is what it feels like to me.

It must be around 6 or 7 seconds i guess, hard to tell, never timed it, never will.

 Grin

Thanx, plug ordered.
Back to top
 
 

Recently sold 97'savage (change of residence) - looking to buy another - just bought a temp, a great SR125 called 'methadone'
WWW Stimpy - FSO   IP Logged
Savage_Rob
Serious Thumper
Alliance Member
*****
Offline

Mechanically
Inclined Amateur

Posts: 6972
Texas (Dallas area)
Gender: male
Re: 650ls is AMAZING! No-power problem solved!! (p
Reply #9 - 09/13/06 at 08:24:56
 
Wow, just wow.
Back to top
 
 

1998|MAC muffler|ceramic coated header|K&N air filter|Amal Mk2 carb|Odyssey battery|iridium plug|NC windshield|Dunlop 491s|Superbrace|EBC brake rotor|12.5" Progressive shocks|Kuryakyn ISO grips
Savage_Rob RidingTX   IP Logged
Pages: 1
Send Topic Print


« Home

 
« Home
SuzukiSavage.com
05/03/24 at 02:39:24



General CategoryRubber Side Down! › 650ls is AMAZING! No-power problem solved!! (pics)


SuzukiSavage.com » Powered by YaBB 2.2!
YaBB © 2000-2007. All Rights Reserved.