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Cindi Knox Junior Member 2005 No Login Offline Iron Butt Association Member since 1997 Posts: 58 Four Miles From Minooka Gender:	Engine temp 09/14/05 at 09:54:45 Anyone know nominal operating temp for the Savage engine? I realize, being air-cooled, it's not all that regulated.
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LANCER Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline Savage Beast Performance Parts Posts: 10606 Oklahoma Gender:	Re: Engine temp Reply #1 - 09/14/05 at 10:41:48 I do not know what the temp is supposed to be but I have thought about putting a cylinder head temp guage on my bike.
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Re: Engine temp
Reply #2 - 09/14/05 at 10:54:43

You are right in that air cooled engines vary greatly in temperature which is why liquid cooling is more popular/desirable. It is hard to determine the actual temperatures of your Savage engine but if you are serious about knowing this you can buy a temperature guage for air cooled cylinder heads which BTW indicates from 200 degrees to 600 F. An extreme oil temperature would be 300 degrees F, and if you had liquid cooling, 180-200 degrees F would be desirable with 265 degrees as a highest level before boiling.

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Kropatchek Serious Thumper Offline Why more than 1 cylinder? Posts: 1457 Alphen a/d Rijn Netherlands Gender:	Re: Engine temp Reply #3 - 09/14/05 at 11:12:06 I have the oiltemperature gauge installed in the fillercap. Normal operating temp is between 80 and 100 C.. Greetz Kropatchek
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Savage_Rob Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline Mechanically Inclined Amateur Posts: 6972 Texas (Dallas area) Gender:	Re: Engine temp Reply #4 - 09/14/05 at 11:41:20 Kropatchek wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:09: I have the oiltemperature gauge installed in the fillercap. Normal operating temp is between 80 and 100 C.. Greetz Kropatchek I thought about this one once but I didn't want to drop $110 on it.
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Reply #5 - 09/14/05 at 15:43:10

Good tip for lowering oil temperature; from Motorcycle Consumer News, Sep 2005: They put exhaust header wrap on to keep the shock cool on a Ducati but it also lowered the oil temperature "nearly 20 degrees" since the exhaust pipe heat was cooking the crankcase. I plan to put about 10" of it on my header pipe where the front exhaust heat shield is, that's close to the crankcase. I figure 2.1 quarts of oil doesn't take long to get hot. Not much need for it now but could be of some benefit next summer. 8)

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Re: Engine temp
Reply #6 - 09/14/05 at 19:31:59

Savage_Rob wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:09:

I thought about this one once but I didn't want to drop $110 on it.

Added that one myself - the '95 runs 80-90c normal - if I get stuck in traffic on a hot day (>90f) I have seen it get a bit above 100c - at which time I'll park it for awhile and have cold beverage myself.
I have read where these type that measure the air above the oil can be as much as 40f cooler - so at 100c the oil could be 212+40 -> 252f. The '02 runs 5-10c hotter than the '95 using the same gauge - it's either the black paint that's on the newer engine or it's still running a bit leaner.

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DavidV Ex Member	Re: Engine temp Reply #7 - 09/14/05 at 21:21:22 Anybody made one of these on their own? Maybe a meat thermometer in an OEM oil plug? Can't be that big a deal.
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Re: Engine temp
Reply #8 - 09/15/05 at 06:02:27

babbalou wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:09:

Good tip for lowering oil temperature; from Motorcycle Consumer News, Sep 2005: They put exhaust header wrap on to keep the shock cool on a Ducati but it also lowered the oil temperature "nearly 20 degrees" since the exhaust pipe heat was cooking the crankcase. I plan to put about 10" of it on my header pipe where the front exhaust heat shield is, that's close to the crankcase. I figure 2.1 quarts of oil doesn't take long to get hot. Not much need for it now but could be of some benefit next summer. 8)

I ran the header wrap for a couple of months and it definitely insulates well. Be advised that it will definitely blue your header a lot and will even start bluing the forward part of your muffler because it retains the heat so well. That's why mine are now painted black.

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LANCER Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline Savage Beast Performance Parts Posts: 10606 Oklahoma Gender:	Re: Engine temp Reply #9 - 09/15/05 at 07:08:32 Last night I was looking through the JP catalog...Harley stuff...and I found some oil temp guages, very similar to the one for the Savage, but they were priced at ONLY $29!!! The only difference was that these guages did not have threads to screw in...they were a rubber plug style. THE ONES FOR THE SAVAGE ARE A RIPOFF ...priced at $110!!!
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Reelthing Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline Fish or ride that is the question Posts: 5397 Houston,Tx Gender:	Re: Engine temp Reply #10 - 09/15/05 at 08:40:26 For sure - as are most things with motorcycles, boats, aircraft, ATVs ....
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Savage_Greg Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline Don't go around your ass to reach your elbow... Posts: 7844 SW Washington State Gender:	Re: Engine temp Reply #11 - 09/17/05 at 07:43:07 Kropatchek wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:09: I have the oiltemperature gauge installed in the fillercap. Normal operating temp is between 80 and 100 C.. Greetz Kropatchek Oh but that is the crankcase oil. Much hotter near the top and cooler near the bottom. Don't forget that we also learned a few months ago that it will burn jeans too
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Re: Engine temp
Reply #12 - 09/19/05 at 14:20:34

I admit I am a newby to Savages and this Forum but I'm not a newby to engines. I have rebuilt my own MGB and have two things to say:
1) Oil temperature: what's the point of spending $110 for a gauge and "sitting" on it?
Try this
http://www.holden.co.uk/hvc-home.htm Part number: 070.064 It is a combined oil pressure gauge/ water temperature gauge but I adapted it to work as a dual oil press/temp gauge (with oil cooler) This one's white but comes in black as well, 070.018 and 070.029
2) Tacho, I just canNOT ride a bike without a tacho.
I'm looking for a way to fit this
http://www.motocycle.co.uk/productDisplay.asp?code=070.383 it is the original Smiths tacho from the '70s.

One feeble rant... for those of you in the know, do NOT wrap insulating tape around the exhaust! If the heat cannot escape from the exhaust (and remember, in the old days exhaust manifolds were actually equippend with ribbed ring adapters) where will it go? For one, it will overheat the pipe as far down as the heat can reach (bluing the chromework) but actually a sizable portion will stay in the head, warping it!
If you odn't believe me, suits you. But to quench your curiosity, next time you have to reset the valve gaps, see if the valve caps sit even on a flat surface...

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babbalou Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 814 Lewisville, Texas Gender:	Re: Engine temp Reply #13 - 09/19/05 at 15:10:41 This may be a viable option for a tach. It's electronic. I don't know how it wires up. http://www.phatperformanceparts.com/merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Produc...
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