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04/04/05 at 10:53:24
 
yes. i have done some work and now have a disaster that won't run on my hands.

it's an electrical problem, which is kinda funny since i never TOUCHED the electrical system when i was doing stuff.
i must have broken a wire somewhere however.

now, at first, the problem was intermittant. i'd turn the bike on. lift my weight off the seat to roll it back, and it would die. sit down, and it would start.
i was thinking grounding wire messed up. but i can't find it.

last week i turned the key, got lights, started it up all i got was 4 electrical pops and it abruptly died. no lights even. (also no smoke or electrical fried smell)

yesterday after removing the starter switch from the handlebar and cleaning out the black widow's nest, i turned the key, and got lights again. but the ignition switch gave me no sound whatsoever.
tried roll starting it down the hill, but out of six tries to start i got two coughs out of it.

the only work i did on the bike originally was to remove the airbox to make way for a pod filter. rejetted the carb again. replaced the cylinder head cap. in order to facilitate the pod fitting i've slanted the battery box at a 45 degree angle along the frame.
oh yeah, i removed the rear turn signals and taped up the ends with electrical tape.

and i so feel like a failure. mechanical stuff i can deal with, electrical stuff i'm totally lost. i'm thinking about converting to kick start again.
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Reply #1 - 04/04/05 at 11:17:46
 
some of the symptoms sound like what happened to me.

check and tighten all ur electrical plugs...mainly the green one under the seat(my solution).

check for a short.

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Reply #2 - 04/04/05 at 11:49:25
 
It is better this way, because it is very hard to diagnise intermittant. If You can use test light You should be able to fix the problem:
1. make sure the 2 fuses under the seat are good and the wires are connected. If so there should be always power to the Red/White wire in the black rellay above the carb /You make sure it is connected good/. Make sure the 3wire connector / Y/B ,  B/W,  B / for the starter rellay is connected.
2. If No start- pull the clutch switch connector and jump between the 2wires.
3 . Try it - it should start. If no- will keep going deeper.
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Reply #3 - 04/04/05 at 11:56:01
 
sunny wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:04:
the only work i did on the bike originally was to remove the airbox to make way for a pod filter. rejetted the carb again. replaced the cylinder head cap. in order to facilitate the pod fitting i've slanted the battery box at a 45 degree angle along the frame.
oh yeah, i removed the rear turn signals and taped up the ends with electrical tape.

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You say the "only" work that you have done on the bike is just that?   Shocked

All of "that" involves a few wires along the way.....including turning the battery on a 45, which I'm not sure is a good idea....but under the seats and behind the airbox are a bunch of wires as you know.

You found a spider in the switch housing and you aren't an entomologist.  I bet that if you pull off the seats and start checking again, you'll be able to fix it without being an electrician either.  Look for a dead short, an open, and check the fuses too....those wires can get pinched under the seat too.
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Reply #4 - 04/04/05 at 12:10:29
 
that's just it.
i've pulled, poked, reseated, and prodded. most of the time i have no clue what i'm doing. at one point i thought it was the small wire that comes off the battery connection's negative side. but i'm not so sure now, as i've reseated and checked that end of the wire numerous times.
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Reply #5 - 04/04/05 at 12:14:41
 
Does the horn blow at all?  Even weak is okay.
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Reply #6 - 04/04/05 at 12:46:13
 
horn blows. lights come on.
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Reply #7 - 04/04/05 at 13:35:55
 
I think you have already cleaned any corrosion from  battery terminals (vingar will work).

While the motor was last running you heard something pop 4 times?
Sounds maybe like a pinched  or loose wire.

At this point I would be looking around for a short to ground o rblown fuse.
Beyond that, will have to go through and find where the 12V "ain't".
Need to know what is working.
1st check the lights and blinkers that will work and include the running and brake light.

"started it up all i got was 4 electrical pops and it abruptly died."

sunny wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:04:
horn blows. lights come on.

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Reply #8 - 04/04/05 at 14:02:21
 
i apologize for the confusion my lack of caffiene has caused.

i tried to start it up and only got 4 electrical pops then the lights went out. after that, pressing the start button didn't even result in clicking.
and as of yesterday the battery has self charged up enough to give power to the lights and horn, but no clicking when pressing the black start button.
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Reply #9 - 04/04/05 at 17:44:56
 
I wish I was there to take it apart with you and figger it out.  I think the 45degree battery tilt is going to be a bad deal in the long run, but ain't your immediate problem.  You can keep the tilted battery if you go to a totally sealed gel cell kind of deal.

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Reply #10 - 04/05/05 at 05:30:06
 
sunny wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:04:
i apologize for the confusion my lack of caffiene has caused.

i tried to start it up and only got 4 electrical pops then the lights went out. after that, pressing the start button didn't even result in clicking.
and as of yesterday the battery has self charged up enough to give power to the lights and horn, but no clicking when pressing the black start button.


I don't understand "4 electrical pops".  Are these a mechanical sound or something like a "zap".  You haven't mentioned the fuses.  Are they good?

Since you had the switch housing apart, how about the kill switch?  How about the other interlocks?
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Reply #11 - 04/05/05 at 08:08:28
 
electrical zaps.

tested the connectors on the starter relay and they receive power and dturn the engine over, so now i think i blew a fuse between starter button and starter relay..
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Reply #12 - 04/05/05 at 08:09:57
 
Check the wireloom that comes from the ignitionswitch.
The loom passes over the frame and is squeezed by the seat. Cut the insulation off and you will find the broken wire/connection there.
Happened to me this afternoon , thats why i did not post it yet.

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Reply #13 - 04/05/05 at 08:30:26
 
Relays can go bad too.
Let us know what's up.
Bound to happen again somewhere.
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Reply #14 - 04/06/05 at 05:28:48
 
sunny wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:04:
electrical zaps.

tested the connectors on the starter relay and they receive power and dturn the engine over, so now i think i blew a fuse between starter button and starter relay..


Are you saying that the engine turns over but won't start?
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