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Yesterday at 07:54:57

What happened to all the Hippy, "communes" or Arcosanti ?

"... This spirit of cooperation in Owen’s utopia would prove his theory that “society may be formed so as to exist without crime, without poverty, with health greatly improved, with little, if any misery, and with intelligence and happiness increased a hundredfold; and no obstacle whatsoever intervenes at this moment except ignorance to prevent such a state of society from becoming universal.”

The wealthy, he argued, “take pride…[in depriving] the great mass of mankind of the most essential benefits that belong to human nature.” If those benefits were shared equally among the masses, though, then a community could live together in, well, harmony.

Owen addressed Congress and outlined his beliefs to anyone who would listen in Washington, D.C., eventually attracting hundreds of leading thinkers, artists, scientists, and workers to help him create a “superior social, intellectual and physical environment.”

It was, as Owen put it, the perfect model of “utopian socialism.”
And it failed less than a year later.

This would be a “community of equality” unlike any the country had seen before. Each of New Harmony’s 800 residents would contribute their unique talents and share in the bounty that they were sure to produce together.

Only they didn’t. Almost immediately, Owen recognized that his grand community was “chaotic.” Its residents lacked the motivation to work, while its government was unable to manage even the town’s one general store..."

I have visited Arcosanti, and it is NOT EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE what it was envisioned as.

It is nothing but Pot heads, and star eyed drug user's.

Who when a less ALTERED constitution. Make bronze bells, which fund the totally stoned the people that live their.

Go Their, smell the stink, see how they live.
TRY talking to some.
What they say is, what, uh, i don't know,
With the STONED starry look.

https://www.maciverinstitute.com/perspectives/the-failed-socialist-state-in-m...

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Reply #1 - Yesterday at 12:08:41

I have visited Arcosanti, and it is NOT EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE what it was envisioned as.

It is nothing but Pot heads, and star eyed drug user's.

Who when a less ALTERED constitution. Make bronze bells, which fund the totally stoned the people that live their.

Go Their, smell the stink, see how they live.
TRY talking to some.
What they say is, what, uh, i don't know,
With the STONED starry look.

In your OPINION.

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MnSpring Serious Thumper Offline Younger than most people my age. Posts: 11248 Minn Gender:	Re: New Harmony Reply #2 - Yesterday at 16:36:11 Eegore wrote on Yesterday at 12:08:41: In your OPINION. Nope AGAIN. It was a FIRST HAND Observed Occurrence.
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Reply #3 - Yesterday at 19:15:28

I have visited Arcosanti, and it is NOT EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE what it was envisioned as.

What it is "envisioned as" is not clearly defined, "REMOTELY CLOSE" is subjective with no defined parameters. Both are opinions.

It is nothing but Pot heads, and star eyed drug user's.

Another human could Observe humans that are not Pot heads or star eyed drug users in the same location. Pot head and star eyed drug user are subjective terms, making them opinions.

Who when a less ALTERED constitution. Make bronze bells, which fund the totally stoned the people that live their.

"totally stoned" is subjective. Another human could Observe partially stoned humans in the same location receiving funds. Opinion.

Go Their, smell the stink, see how they live.
TRY talking to some.
What they say is, what, uh, i don't know,
With the STONED starry look.

Subjective interpretation of what "STONED" is and "starry look" is an undefined description. Opinion.

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Reply #4 - Yesterday at 19:44:31

Eegore wrote on Yesterday at 19:15:28:
"... What it is "envisioned as" is not clearly defined, "REMOTELY CLOSE" is subjective with no defined parameters.
... Pot head and star eyed drug user are subjective terms, making them opinions.
... "totally stoned" is subjective. Another human could Observe partially stoned humans in the same location receiving funds. Opinion.
... Subjective interpretation of what "STONED" is and "starry look" is an undefined description. Opinion.

IN YOUR OPINION !

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

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Needles Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 2511 AR Gender:	Re: New Harmony Reply #5 - Today at 05:49:51 Y'all need to look up The Farm, a commune that's been there 55 years and counting. Bonus: it's in dumb-@ssed, deep Red Tennessee...
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Reply #6 - Today at 06:54:16

Needles wrote on Today at 05:49:51:

"... The Farm, a commune ...

How much of the 1.3 BILLION in 'farmer' Subsidies do they get ?
How much, of their 25.00 (Festival suggested price), bring in ?
How much does, Peace Roots, donate ?
How much is made from, Book Publishing, tie-dye t-shirts, wall-hangings, other gift items.
And how much money is made from Farming Crops, including the TAX PAYERS Subsidies ?
How much are the people that work paid. ?

A COMPANY, regardless of it's name, that has lasted for 50+ years, is of a conservative nature.

A true socialist enterprise cannot, unless it is Subsided !

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Needles Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 2511 AR Gender:	Re: New Harmony Reply #7 - Today at 09:59:28 You're babbling sh1t. If you don't know anything about the subject, it is acceptable to remain quiet. You think TENNESSEE is going to allow subsidies to a "hippie commune"? That's some imagination you go there... BTW, Israel is the only COUNTRY to subsidize communes. They try to throw you off by calling them "kibbutzes".
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Eegore Serious Thumper Online SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 10729	Re: New Harmony Reply #8 - Today at 10:15:10 A COMPANY, regardless of it's name, that has lasted for 50+ years, is of a conservative nature. A true socialist enterprise cannot, unless it is Subsided ! In your OPINION.
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