Eegore wrote on 08/09/26 at 15:25:31:


Apparent you do not have ALL the data.


"...  The majority of gun harm are self-inflicted, ..."
           WOW what a SPIN !!!!!!!!!

 A-Yep the majority, "of gun harm are self-inflicted" is true.
Now FOR the REST OF THE STORY !!!!!!!!!!

      That is the SUICIDES, using a gun.

 get rid of guns.
"... it is not a nationwide common practice ..."
NOPE, NOT ANY MORE.

"...nor has it been..."
YES IT WAS !!!!!!

Eegore wrote on 08/11/26 at 08:48:57:


"The AMA encourages physicians to counsel patients about the risks associated with firearms in the home"

"More physicians are making gun safety part of routine visits."

"...Obama yesterday clarified language in the 2010 Affordable Care Act (ACA) that many health providers had taken to mean a ban on discussing gun ownership with patients..."

"...according to the Obama administration, it doesn't prevent physicians from asking the gun question-and recording the answer...."

But according to the Obama administration, it doesn’t prevent physicians from asking the gun question-and recording the answer.

But according to the Obama administration, it doesn’t prevent physicians from asking the gun question-and recording the answer.

"“The Affordable Care Act does not prohibit or otherwise regulate communication between doctors and patients, including about firearms,” "

"Obama also ordered the HHS to “conduct or sponsor research into the causes of gun violence and the ways to prevent it.”"

" Obama: Physicians have right to ask about guns "

"President Obama signed an executive order promising further guidance explaining that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit "

""Doctors and other healthcare providers ... need to be able to ask about firearms in their patients' home"

""As physicians, we strongly support your executive order clarifying that no federal law shall be construed to restrict the patient-physician relationship and prevent physicians from discussing gun ownership and gun safety with their patients," the letter states. "We must now work to ensure that state laws preventing such communications are repealed.""

"Obama Sides With Physicians in Fray Over Gun Questions"

" the administration will issue guidance clarifying that the Affordable Care Act (ACA), contrary to what some believe, does not prohibit or regulate communication about firearms between clinicians and patients."

"Obama is siding with the physicians.

"Doctors and other healthcare providers...need to be able to ask about firearms in their patients' homes"

"Medical Societies Applaud Obama's Stance on Gun Question"

"Affordable Care Act does not prohibit or otherwise regulate communication between doctors and patients, including about firearms. "

"Obama signed an executive order Wednesday to “Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes,”

"Doctors’ Rights To Ask About Guns Not Affected By Health Law Provisions"

"federal law does not require that a question about gun ownership be included in every medical history. "

        And on and on and on and on and on ... ... ... ...

A Doctor/Nurse askes you about guns,
you DO NOT HAVE TO ANSWER !!!!!

And if they do,
tell them,
"Take a good look at my face,
cause you will NEVER SEE IT AGAIN"

Then get a REAL DOCTOR !

The AMA encourages physicians to counsel patients about the risks associated with firearms in the home

 Discussing risks of firearms is not equal to trying to get patients to get rid of guns.  This is like a range instructor going over safety standards and someone saying they are anti-gun and want them to get rid of their guns because the range instructor provides empirical evidence about gun deaths.



More physicians are making gun safety part of routine visits

 Gun safety is not equal to getting rid of guns.  This is like saying a hunter education course is anti-gun because they discuss gun safety.  Discussing gun safety is not always gun control measures.




"...according to the Obama administration, it doesn't prevent physicians from asking the gun question-and recording the answer...."

But according to the Obama administration, it doesn’t prevent physicians from asking the gun question-and recording the answer.

But according to the Obama administration, it doesn’t prevent physicians from asking the gun question-and recording the answer.

 Recording the answer is not equal to requesting patients get rid of guns.

 Recording the answer is not equal to requesting patients get rid of guns.

 Recording the answer is not equal to requesting patients get rid of guns.



The Affordable Care Act does not prohibit or otherwise regulate communication between doctors and patients, including about firearms,
]

 This is not equal to physicians requesting patients get rid of guns.  It's not even close.  SPIN.

 
Obama also ordered the HHS to “conduct or sponsor research into the causes of gun violence and the ways to prevent it

 This is nowhere near an order for physicians to try to get patients to get rid of guns.  More SPIN.


Obama: Physicians have right to ask about guns

 They do.  This is not equal to ordering physicians to try to get patients to get rid of guns.  


As physicians, we strongly support your executive order clarifying that no federal law shall be construed to restrict the patient-physician relationship and prevent physicians from discussing gun ownership and gun safety with their patients," the letter states. "We must now work to ensure that state laws preventing such communications are repealed.

 This is not guidance to instruct physicians to try to get patients to get rid of guns.


the administration will issue guidance clarifying that the Affordable Care Act (ACA), contrary to what some believe, does not prohibit or regulate communication about firearms between clinicians and patients.

 Communication between physicians and patients about guns is not guidance to try to get patients to get rid of guns.  SPIN.


A Doctor/Nurse askes you about guns,
you DO NOT HAVE TO ANSWER !!!!!

 Nobody said you did.  


 Nothing you offer is a mandate or guidance to tell physicians they have to try to get patients to get rid of guns.  This is over-reactive SPIN.