https://www.youtube.com/shorts/aE-TokVXd2M  (Its a short)

The mandatory energy transition, which environmental activists consider a good thing, is not without its problems, such as serious environmental issues related to resource extraction, unaffordability for low-income earners, serious capacity issues with the electrical grid, fire hazards, ridiculous operating ranges, and long charging times.

Now, the safety issues associated with accidents have also been added.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/aE-TokVXd2M  (Its a short)
They nearly died, but they saved the planet with that electric car.

Are we sure we are on the right track?

400 miles on a charge is easily doable, plus newer batteries can recharge in a matter of minutes.

 I'd be interested in seeing information on a newer battery that can charge in a few minutes and then propel a vehicle 400 miles.  

 For clarification my interpretation of "a few minutes" is under 10.  Also I think (this implies opinion) it is important the chargers be available to the consumer for an assessment like this so a level 3 charger - charging a vehicle up to 400 miles of range, in a few minutes.

Rivian, Mercedes, even Cadillac EVs can go over 400 miles on a charge.

 Agreed.  None of them can charge in a matter of minutes.  Unless we want to dodge the issue by saying any battery can technically charge in minutes which is true.  All rechargeable batteries can "charge" in a matter of minutes, but can they charge from let's say 20 miles left to 400 miles left?

 No.  Not one can even get close to charging a 400 mile battery in minutes.

 
Your argument about Level 3 chargers is specious and out of date--- do you fill up your gas tank at home, or go to a gas station? I'm in a rural town of maybe 8000, and there are at least 3 fast charging stations in town, and several businesses have level 2 hookups for their customers' use.

 I never said they were not available.  I meant it is important that if one claims a battery can be charged to go 400 miles, in "a matter of minutes", that specific charger type should be available to the public.  For instance if a charger at a research facility in Sweden can supercharge a specialty battery in minutes, that means nothing to consumers.

 The chargers available today can not charge a battery from near empty to 400 miles of charge in "a matter of minutes".  A level 2 would take 8-15 hours, so they should not even be considered.  

 And yes I do fill my fuel tanks at home.

It would be great if EV were as viable an option as gas cars but they are not for a large portion of the automobile market.

And by viable, don’t tell me I can drive across the country in an EV if I just plan ahead because that’s not viable. Don’t tell me I can use an electric car 75% of the time and rent a car for long trips. I don’t wanna do that. That’s not viable.

Saw this earlier today:

The massive bill for the Big Three's EV pivot has come due to the tune of $52.1 billion.

Following Stellantis's (STLA) filing on Friday morning reporting a $26 billion charge from its latest EV strategy change, the cumulative bill, including General Motors' (GM) $6.6 billion hit and Ford's (F) $19.5 billion write-off, has the Detroit automakers vaporizing $52.1 billion from their EV bets.

Guys?

The best cars do about 500 km, says the manufacturer, so you subtract 25% of that. That makes 375 km.
Then subtract 80%, which is 300 km.
After four years, you still have 85% of the battery life remaining, so that's 255 km or 159.4 miles.
So you can drive a maximum of 80 miles there and back without recharging.

That car would cost you about 50,000 euros.

I don't know who that's practical for, but it's not for me.
Moreover, electricity has become expensive, so the days when you could charge your car for 50 cents are over.

The major environmental savings should come from natural power sources, but in Europe, that's not working, and fossil fuels are still being used. And the future looks far from bright in that regard.

And on top of that, those fuels are now in short supply because of the war in Ukraine, and we are forced by America to import fuel from America sailed here with with large oil tankers.

China is blackmailing us with raw materials for batteries and magnets for EVs, so we're forced to open mines in places where Europe's last remaining natural areas are. (Not very good for the environment.)

Australia is going to do the same. (Also very bad for the environment.)

So I'm curious where exactly the environment is being spared?


If all countries, all governments, and all people decided to end all wars, all political conflicts, and work together,
then it has a chance of success.

But for that, we have to sacrifice our egos.

So that's why we need to return to the topic of truth.

zevenenergie wrote on 02/06/26 at 14:10:38:


Throw in cold temperatures and guess how much performance drops.

Throw in cold temperatures and guess how much performance drops.

 Yeah but if we make equal comparisons under real life scenarios we can't claim EV's are equal to combustion engines.  

 EV's certainly have their place, but they can't replace the combustion engine at this time in my opinion.  At least the local EV dealer is honest, in my opinion, about the importance of a home charger.  Given Colorado's mountains and weather, EV's take a huge hit in the winter.