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Reply #15 - 02/06/26 at 16:56:38

Needles wrote on 02/06/26 at 13:09:52:

"... A 400 mile battery can charge to 80% in 30 minutes on a fast charger. ..."

NOPE !

Tell us which battery charger,
can do a 400 mile battery,
to 80% in 1/2 hour.

Tell us how many their are ?????
Tell us where they are ?????

(Or you just crying WOLF. AGAIN)

If I had a day job which was 30/80 miles round trip.
You bet, a only electric car, then plug it in at home, slow charge.

But drive 400 miles, when the goal is 1600 miles, (MN to AZ)
And have to STOP every 400 miles, and charge for 5 to 10 HOURS.

Long range electric only,
not even remotely close.

Hybrid, (the ones that can run on gas also) are better.
Yet still a long way to go.

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Reply #16 - 02/07/26 at 02:42:18

The bottom line for EV in the foreseeable future is the demand is small. Maybe too small for companies to invest R&D. My company invested time and money marketing our products to the EV battery plant construction field but we pulled back significant amounts. The demand just isn’t there.

My daughter has a all electric mini Cooper, and it is one of the funnest vehicles I’ve ever driven. She lives in Denver and commutes a total of 6 miles back-and-forth to work. That’s it. Even in the coldest temperatures, it’s not a problem. It’s perfect for her, but they have a gas vehicle for long rides.

My household COULD do that. We don’t need a new car right now, but if we did, we could have one electric vehicle along my truck. That would work for us. If I wanted it to, but I don’t. I would rather have the distance capabilities and mass infrastructure for fuel and repair that standard combustion cars delivers.

And that sums it up. I represent the majority of car buyers

I’ve never ridden an electric motorcycle, but people who have, say they’re amazing. If you can afford $10,000 for a motorcycle that has a range of about 50 miles.

EV is on the back burner until something forces it off.

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Needles Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1422 AR Gender:	Re: Save? Reply #17 - 02/07/26 at 05:57:29 https://chargingtimecalculator.com/guide/ev-charging-time-comparison https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/advice/fastest-charging-electric-cars?onepag e Y'all have old information. Try to keep up. And, BTW, nearly ALL commercial charging stations are Tesla type DC chargers.
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Needles Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1422 AR Gender:	Re: Save? Reply #18 - 02/07/26 at 06:20:18 BTW, the SAVE Act is just another scam. It would require you to have a passport to vote. Most people don't have a passport, and the $165 fee means it's buying voter status. Illegal AF in the US. The Feds are strictly forbidden to be involved with the way the states run elections. Period.
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Reply #19 - 02/07/26 at 07:31:29

Y'all have old information. Try to keep up. And, BTW, nearly ALL commercial charging stations are Tesla type DC chargers.

No that information is exactly what we are talking about.

I've never spent anything close to 18 minutes fueling a vehicle, and that's under "optimal conditions" which isn't a thing for standard fuel. Also due to minimal infrastructure, there are often wait times when there is a line.

There's a place for EV, I own them, but they can not even get close to replacing combustion engines at this time. They certainly take more than "a few minutes" to recharge.

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Reply #20 - 02/07/26 at 13:04:49

Needles wrote on 02/07/26 at 05:57:29:

https://chargingtimecalculator.com/guide/ev-charging-time-compar
ison

https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/advice/fastest-charging-electric-cars?onepag
e

Y'all have old information. Try to keep up. And, BTW, nearly ALL commercial charging stations are Tesla type DC chargers.

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This a photo from your link:

Are you shure your a sosialist?

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Reply #21 - 02/07/26 at 13:28:03

I posted that because self-appointed 'experts' said they didn't exist. If you're complaining about the price tag, look at Korean or Chinese EVs. Oh, and that car was only $52,000 before the Trumpedo tariffs. ( Wink

) As far as charging taking longer than fueling, that wouldn't be a deal killer for me. Plus, how long does it take to get your oil changed? Fuel injectors cleaned? Air and oil filters? All that takes time and money. At any rate, EVs CAN be your only vehicle nowadays. It just depends on which set of cons you want to put up with.

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Reply #22 - 02/07/26 at 17:35:31

Needles wrote on 02/07/26 at 13:28:03:

"...charging taking longer than fueling, that wouldn't be a deal killer for me...."

So, let's say you want to take a trip to MN, to help all your Rock in snowball throwing, damaging cars, spitting/shoving people, blocking traffic, and so many more destructive Anti American, SOCIALISTIC endeavors.

Gas trip, about +/- 18 hours
EV trip, about +/- 37 hours
(If you can find a charge station,
and NOT have to wait to use it)

But Hey,
Go For It !

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Reply #23 - 02/07/26 at 21:25:26

Plus, how long does it take to get your oil changed? Fuel injectors cleaned? Air and oil filters? All that takes time and money.

Substantially less time annually than charging an EV in my opinion. Very few humans have a lvl 3 charger at their home, which is reasonable. Let's really lowball it and say the average EV charges only 5 days a week at a home, for 5 hours. No weekend usage.

That's 1,300 hours of charging annually.

If my general vehicle maintenance reaches over 1000 hours annually I will gladly accept routine maintenance as a reason to stop using combustion engine vehicles. All my vehicles combined don't have that many man-hours of scheduled maintenance.

There are no 400 mile EV's that can charge in "a few minutes" at this time.

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MnSpring Serious Thumper Offline Younger than most people my age. Posts: 10713 Minn Gender:	Re: Save? Reply #24 - 02/08/26 at 06:20:10 Needles wrote on 02/07/26 at 06:20:18: *"... the SAVE Act is just another scam. It would require you to have a passport to vote...."* Again, CRYING WOLF. "... documentary proof of citizenship, ... or birth certificate ..."
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Needles Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1422 AR Gender:	Re: Save? Reply #25 - 02/08/26 at 14:34:40 Who dafuk walks around with those documents in their pockets? And, in the country where you've never had to show "papers"? You MAGATs are such hypocrites! Oh, and your leader is a criminal pedophile.
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Reply #26 - 02/08/26 at 14:53:26

Who dafuk walks around with those documents in their pockets?

Illogical argument in my opinion.

I would if it were required for me to do something, like vote, when I go to... vote. Do you carry a driver's license 100% of the time? Do you have it on you when you sleep at night? Or do you have it with you when you are doing something that requires you have it by law?

I carry my birth certificate to locations that require it for me to get a job. It makes zero sense to carry it all the time. No law is presented that requires we carry proof of citizenship all the time.

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Reply #27 - Today at 00:19:53

Needles wrote on 02/08/26 at 14:34:40:

Who dafuk walks around with those documents in their pockets? And, in the country where you've never had to show "papers"? You MAGATs are such hypocrites! Oh, and your leader is a criminal pedophile.

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So far, no evidence has been found against Trump. He is mentioned, but it concerns social contacts with Epstein. I'm not naive, and I'm following the developments. There are indications that incriminate many powerful people. Just look at Bill Cates and the Clintons, who now have to answer for their actions.

A few threads ago, you firmly claimed not to be a pedophile, but we all know by now that you have no problem lying.
Do you see how easy it is to smear someone?

You can say anything here without repercussions, but no one wants to make your life miserable.
It's different with Trump, and yet they haven't managed to bring him down with the Epstein files.

I'm sure Trump is now largely aware of everything Epstein was involved in. And I realize the cesspool really stinks. But I think Trump was well aware of his role and the culture of blackmail, and he probably drawn a line for himself.
But perhaps that's naive. I'm convinced that time will tell.

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Needles Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1422 AR Gender:	Re: Save? Reply #28 - Today at 06:31:17 Trumpedo's minions don't ADMIT they've found any evidence. That's different from being exonerated. Trumpedo is a lying criminal pedophile, and is all over the files. He was likely behind a lot of the illegal sh1t. He has laundered money, committed fraud, and sex crimes. He's going down unless he dies first.
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zevenenergie Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 2154 The Netherlands Den Haag	Re: Save? Reply #29 - Today at 13:47:58 Nope... Trump will go down in history as the best president America ever had.
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