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LS650 Parts that have changed '86 to Present
08/24/04 at 15:12:20
 
Without any detailed research, I'll throw out the first one.

The speedo changed before '92 I believe, but it is interchangeable.
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Re: Savage Parts that have changed '86 to '05
Reply #1 - 08/24/04 at 15:29:53
 
Greg, you beat me on that first post.
Removed my entry so here is the 2nd post:

Lets start what I have found out about differences in parts of the engine.

1996 Introduction of improved starter clutch.  
One of the 2 idle gears now has a limiter. the gear is wider in dimension so the inside of the alternator cover has a reworked axle bearing Ceck out the picture in this forum:
http://www.ls-650.de/community/forum/YaBB.pl/YaBB.pl?board=Allgemein;act ion=display;num=1091041354;start=45#45
That's it for now, will post more when I discover.
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Reply #2 - 08/24/04 at 21:23:17
 
Just to get all the info into the same topic, this is a repost of 2004 details.  The changes made between 2003 and 2004 were very minor and not mechanical.  Here is the list of what was new for 2004 in "Suzuki marketing speak":

FEATURE LIST: Suzuki 2004 Savage® 650 (LS650P)

New
  • New rear view mirrors for more attractive appearance - similar to VL800 Volusia  
  • Standard 4-way emergency flasher and and high-beam passing switch  
  • Multi-reflector turn signals for improved appearance
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Reply #3 - 08/24/04 at 21:35:41
 
I'll give it a go for the 2005 but Jon should chime in here since he has one!  Here's what I pulled off a dealer site that looks new to me (again in Suzuki marketing speak):
  • Headlight switches off during start-up to reduce load on the battery
  • Custom flat handlebar design provides a clean, sport appearance
  • Sleek, one-piece saddle adds to the S40's already streamlined appearance
  • Front fork guards protect the inner fork tubes from road debris and help reduce dust seal and oil seal wear (Is this new?  I wasn't sure...)

Other things:
  • The brand was rebadged from Savage to Boulevard s40 so graphics changed (a Boulevard badge instead of a Savage sticker)
  • The sissy bar is gone
  • The fender rails are different since the sissy bar is gone
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Reply #4 - 08/24/04 at 21:38:46
 
A few random things I remember reading that need to be nailed down:
  • At some point, they started painting the engine black
  • Have seen people discussing whether a particular bolt requires 14 mm or 17 mm wrench...
  • 4 speed to 5 speed when?
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Reply #5 - 08/25/04 at 03:08:19
 
1986-1988 - 4 speed years ratios:
1st- 2.214
2nd-1.500
3rd- 1.095
4th- .875

1995-2005 - 5 speed ratios;
1st- 2.333
2nd-1.578
3rd-1.142
4th-.956
5th-.884

drive belt all years -133 teeth
Not sure,but I think the LS was still built, just not sold in U.S. 89-94.
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Reply #6 - 08/25/04 at 08:21:56
 
I seem to remember reading somewhere that the plug had been changed in later years which helped with the plug leak issue but am not sure.  Anyone know?
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Reply #7 - 08/25/04 at 08:31:07
 
I believe the plug was new in 2004. I had mine replaced this year with the new designed plug. So far so good.
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Reply #8 - 08/25/04 at 12:22:52
 
About the tranny...

> 4 speed to 5 speed when?

The 86, 87 and 88 bikes were 4-speed.  The bike was dropped from the USA line after 88 to reappear again in (I think) 96 with a 5-speed.  Btw, the 80's bikes had a louder pipe, and my 88 'felt' faster than my 96 and S40 (although top speed seems about the same).  The 4-speed was more fun to ride, too, because of the gear spacing and richer jetting--the engine seemed to have more roll-on throttle response (more torque) at low revs.  The 5-speed allowed Suzuki engineers to lower emissions output and keep the EPA happy.  By adding another gear and shortening up the ratios between 1st and 5th, the engine is kept on the boil more which helps keep the revs out of the low RPM polluting zone.  Revs create heat in the top end which improves combustion efficiency.
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Re: Savage Parts that have changed '86 to '05
Reply #9 - 08/27/04 at 17:06:39
 
The 5 speed gerbox was introduced in 1991.
The headcover plug in 1996 but regardless what you install, the old or new plug still requires sealant which is still NOT in the Suzuki WSM.
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Reply #10 - 08/28/04 at 06:28:34
 
Kropatchek wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:08:
...but regardless what you install, the old or new plug still requires sealant which is still NOT in the Suzuki WSM.
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Yep, I still used a small amount of silicone rubber on mine.  You can see it in the photo in the other topic.
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Reply #11 - 08/29/04 at 06:39:57
 
I was able to finally sum up the Suzuki Service Manual with regard to the changes to the carb.  The biggest changes form '86 to '04 to the carb are the Main jet, Pilot jet, Needle jet and the Throttle valve.

You will also notice that after '95 some jets are not listed because they became non-changeable.

Also, there are some European and Canadian models listed but I can't be sure without the "model number" on the carb.

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Reply #12 - 08/29/04 at 06:48:34
 
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Have seen people discussing whether a particular bolt requires 14 mm or 17 mm wrench...




I think I know which one this is, Susan.  I just did my first oil and filter change on my 98 Savage yesterday and found the drain plug was a 14mm instead of the 17mm that both the owner's manual and the Clymer's claimed it should have been.  I wasn't sure if that was a design change or if the previous owner made a substitution though.
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Reply #13 - 08/29/04 at 06:58:14
 
I know that our '00 and '01 need a 14 MM wrench.
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Reply #14 - 09/12/04 at 03:12:16
 
Another difference:
The brake reservoir on the "pulled-back"and "straight" handle bar are different.

The pulled-back handle bar has the connection on the side , while the other one has the connection on the front.

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