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Message started by Eegore on 01/24/26 at 20:23:08

Title: MN ICE shooting
Post by Eegore on 01/24/26 at 20:23:08

Look for the "lady in pink jacket" viewpoint if you want to see what happened with more clarity.

Pretty textbook over stimulus reaction in my opinion. This is reminiscent of the CA subway shooting where the intended taser shot was with a lethal weapon in my opinion.

This type of training is hard, in my opinion. In my opinion there is definitely a lack of proper education, probably, in my opinion, due to shortened or rushed training cycles. This is an opinion.

Title: Re: MN ICE shooting
Post by MnSpring on 01/25/26 at 05:34:31

Any audio recorded on that event ?

A Video clearly show a 'gun' imprint.

Was he asked, Do you have a gun ?

(Above are questions,
below is also a question)

If you viewed a gun imprint.

Would you ask,
or wait to see
if it was a, 'toy', or a, 'real', loaded one ?

Title: Re: MN ICE shooting
Post by Needles on 01/25/26 at 05:36:49

No amount of training will stop the murderers in ICE. The victim had a legal firearm. They took it without his once ever going for it. Then they shot him multiple times. It was another ICE execution. ICE is an ILLEGAL force, from their actual operations record. They ignore ALL of the Constitution, especially the 1st theough 5th Amendments--- which were added for the explicit purpose of stopping sh1t like this from happening. Trump IS coming for your guns...

>:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

Title: Re: MN ICE shooting
Post by WebsterMark on 01/25/26 at 06:02:16

Title: Re: MN ICE shooting
Post by Eegore on 01/25/26 at 06:45:19

Saw what looks to be a legit video where during the incident, his gun became visible, an officer yelled “Gun”, at least one officer starts to pull his own weapon, another one seemed to grab the gun from the man’s holster, step back, the gun seems to fire. At that point, the other officers fired.

Agreed. My opinion is I agree.

My opinion is the video shows he was never reaching for a gun, and the clothing + officer orientation and speed leaves no room for gun-imprint recognition. They were placing him under control by chaotic means, his firearm came into view while holstered and his hands were not engaging with it, then an audible warning resulted in premature discharge of a lethal weapon by LEO. This is an opinion.

Too many LEO were engaging him at the same time, at least one officer yelled "Gun" and another fired. Then other's fired. This is an opinion.

This post is an opinion.

Title: Re: MN ICE shooting
Post by WebsterMark on 01/25/26 at 08:14:21

But, for that gun to fire tells me the guy had chambered a round and the safety was off.

Here’s another person in the mold of Ashley Babbitt, Renee Good and now this guy who foolishly believed partisan lies and hype. They actually believed what’s going on was really a fight for Democracy, a fight the same as The Revolution, The Civil War, the Civil Rights fight.

All three were wrong and paid for it. It’s a tragedy.

Title: Re: MN ICE shooting
Post by thumperclone on 01/25/26 at 08:36:07

so much for the second amendment

Title: Re: MN ICE shooting
Post by Needles on 01/25/26 at 09:47:24

Babbitt does not belong to the group of patriots protesting Trumpedo, since she was actively trying to harm members of Congress in a political coup attempt. Babbitt was in comission of a crime; neither of the citizens executed by Illegal ICE operatives were breaking the law. False equivalency.

>:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

Title: Re: MN ICE shooting
Post by Eegore on 01/25/26 at 10:41:48

But, for that gun to fire tells me the guy had chambered a round and the safety was off.

I don't see the victim's gun being discharged. Can you point out where you see that? My opinion is that I do not see the victim's gun being discharged.

Title: Re: MN ICE shooting
Post by WebsterMark on 01/25/26 at 11:43:10

173C3C3D353C2A590 wrote:

That’s obviously not true.

All three foolishly believed nonsense as truth. All three were disobeying law enforcement instructions when those officers were in very stressful situations. All three officers made a decision based completely upon the protesters actions. My objection to the man who killed Babbitt was his identity was hidden and his case reviewed in private. Ultimately, it was Babbitt’s fault she was killed, same as those two.

That’s reality. I’m aware you're incapable of seeing that.

Title: Re: MN ICE shooting
Post by thumperclone on 01/25/26 at 12:29:24

Title: Re: MN ICE shooting
Post by Needles on 01/25/26 at 15:15:16

The only truth in Webby's post:

"Ultimately, it was Babbitt’s fault she was killed..."

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: MN ICE shooting
Post by WebsterMark on 01/26/26 at 03:40:21

Sorry but this is as close to absolutely true statement as you can get.

All three foolishly believed nonsense as truth. All three were disobeying law enforcement instructions when those officers were in very stressful situations. All three officers made a decision based completely upon the protesters actions.

All three foolishly believed partisan rhetoric as being factual and beyond dispute which demanded action. The idea that action was required to save Democracy, save The Republic etc simply wasn’t true in any not those situations.

Title: Re: MN ICE shooting
Post by Needles on 01/26/26 at 05:59:08

Title: Re: MN ICE shooting
Post by Eegore on 01/26/26 at 06:06:42

All three foolishly believed partisan rhetoric as being factual and beyond dispute which demanded action.

"Partisan Rhetoric as being factual". This is absolutely the common denominator in my opinion. Believing Trump is going to stop an election with you is delusional. Believing ICE is not actually a LEA and can't stop humans in vehicles is delusional.

Obviously those incapable of thinking for themselves and critically of the situations will say this means I support the actions of law enforcement. They know better, but their emotions prohibit adult conversation. After all, some people are illogical when they are angry!!!

Title: Re: MN ICE shooting
Post by Eegore on 01/26/26 at 06:08:46

Still false equivalency. There is no way in h#ll that a coup attempt on the federal government, as described by Jack Smith under oath, is in the same vein as pseudo feds executing citizens peacefully protesting.

Also a false equivalency in my opinion. Webstermark is not saying the events are the same, he is saying the humans involved were equally influenced by political rhetoric. Ignoring orders from armed humans is a recipe for death, we all know this, but once some righteousness concept enters the brain people think their personal ethics beat bullets.

Luckily the majority is not like this or we would have a real civil conflict with millions dead per year in my opinion. This is an opinion.

Title: Re: MN ICE shooting
Post by Needles on 01/26/26 at 06:57:15

Bullshit, he's saying all three shootings are the same thing, and that's a LIE.

::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: MN ICE shooting
Post by MnSpring on 01/26/26 at 07:04:26

6249494840495F2C0 wrote:

"... feds executing citizens peacefully protesting ..."

So throwing sharp/heavy things, blocking streets, shoving/pushing, carrying a gun to a, 'protest', destroying property, stealing.
And doing everything they can think of to protect, Lying Thief's.

Is, " peacefully protesting "

Looks like only the Ultra Liberal, Fairy Dust Sprinkling, WOKE, Dumb Fucking Idiots, believe that.

(Oh yea, that is opinion, from OBSERVING)

Title: Re: MN ICE shooting
Post by Eegore on 01/26/26 at 07:46:16

Bullshit, he's saying all three shootings are the same thing, and that's a LIE.

He never said that. You can interpret it however you want, I will use his actual words as reference.

Here’s another person in the mold of Ashley Babbitt, Renee Good and now this guy who foolishly believed partisan lies and hype. They actually believed what’s going on was really a fight for Democracy, a fight the same as The Revolution, The Civil War, the Civil Rights fight.

Nothing about that indicates, to me, that all 3 shootings are the same. The reason for each victim being there is the same. This is my opinion. This post is an opinion.

Title: Re: MN ICE shooting
Post by Needles on 01/26/26 at 09:21:06

They aren't, but HE believes they are. Ask HIM.

>:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

Title: Re: MN ICE shooting
Post by zevenenergie on 01/26/26 at 11:38:51

I've seen the video, and I see murder, and I think it should be judged accordingly. ICE has gone too far. As a politician, you sometimes have to take harsh measures. You can't avoid that, but as a person who enforces the laws, you have to act differently. Someone who tries to protect someone else doesn't deserve the death penalty.
The conflict with ICE is exactly in line with police violence in America and the conflicts it creates.
It reflects a hardening of human thinking and behavior that no one wants.

There will be massive immigration in the future. This is caused by crop failures and water shortages. There will be a huge flow of climate refugees heading west, and that's why Trump doesn't want immigrants from those countries. Because they attract family members.

It shows that Trump means it when he says "America first." But it also shows more than ever that we're all in the same boat worldwide. And no matter what position you take, you're increasingly unable to ignore it.

Anyone who recently watched Joe Rocan's podcast

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhaz6vd4nSI (a really cool broadcast to watch anyway)

can conclude from it that advanced civilizations once lived on this planet.
They all perished due to disasters and wars that didn't just happen on this planet.

We're rapidly heading in that direction, and Trump's measures are ones of survival. I'm not a proponent of survival structures. We need to dismantle these very structures.

In Joe Rocan's podcast, the true function of the pyramid is exposed, and anyone who has delved into the real history of the Earth will see everything come together in this podcast. I've spoken with people who were in the Geops pyramid in the sarcophagus and had a cosmic experience there, accompanied by the secret society that manages the pyramids.
I heard this eight years ago, and now I hear this exact story described in the post-cast. It's mentioned at 50:20 in the video.

You'll understand that I got quite excited when I watched the post-cast.

Title: Re: MN ICE shooting
Post by Eegore on 01/26/26 at 14:33:31

They aren't, but HE believes they are. Ask HIM.

I will just go with his words instead of yours.

Title: Re: MN ICE shooting
Post by Eegore on 01/26/26 at 14:37:57

Title: Re: MN ICE shooting
Post by WebsterMark on 01/26/26 at 16:48:51

684343424A4355260 wrote:

They aren't, but HE believes they are. Ask HIM.

>:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

Seriously, do you just argue the other side for the hell of it?

Title: Re: MN ICE shooting
Post by WebsterMark on 01/26/26 at 17:00:18

zeven wrote: I've seen the video, and I see murder, and I think it should be judged accordingly.

Are you suggesting this officer be tried for first degree murder? Much in the same way as someone who plotted, planned, shot someone who had wronged him, hid the body and conducted a cover up to get away with it? Try him the same as OJ Simpson for example?

Mass migration due to climate change? Advanced civilizations?
The Pyramids? That’s for another day.

Title: Re: MN ICE shooting
Post by thumperclone on 01/27/26 at 03:33:15

DHS has become state (djt) sponsored terrorism

Title: Re: MN ICE shooting
Post by WebsterMark on 01/27/26 at 03:44:09

Title: Re: MN ICE shooting
Post by Eegore on 01/27/26 at 05:38:26

I read perhaps the best description of Ashley Babbitt, Renee Good and Alex Pretti.

Did you ever see one of those videos at Yellowstone where someone walks up to pet a Buffalo?

Why would anyone do that? Are they stupid? No. Delusional? Yes. They’re convinced they understand reality when in fact, it is quite different.

We all make that mistake, probably daily, but on a much smaller scale and with less dire consequences.

False equivelency. Buffalo aren't Nazi's hired by Trump to kill US Citizens. This is an opinion.

I do agree that delusional is a good way to put it. My opinion is delusional is a good way to put it.