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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Politics, Religion (Tall Table) >> Iran’s threats… /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1750245586 Message started by WebsterMark on 06/18/25 at 04:19:46 |
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Title: Iran’s threats… Post by WebsterMark on 06/18/25 at 04:19:46 …reminds me of Saddam Hussein’s threats what would happen if we invaded……..right before his army surrendered in mass. |
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Title: Re: Iran’s threats… Post by MnSpring on 06/18/25 at 06:21:30 Thank Obama, for letting Iran make Nuclear Bombs. All in hope that Iran will be friends with the USA, when Iran says they only have Nuclear power for other things. The, ‘Inspectors’, when suspect of bomb making, have to wait for a MONTH, so Iran can conceal their actions. “… "It's not anytime anywhere. It doesn't allow [inspectors] to go to a site and say, 'hey I think something must be going on there, give me 24 hours and I'm in,'" Sharon Squassoni, the director of the Center for Strategic and International Studies' Proliferation Prevention Program, told CBS News. Squassoni said Iran does have a lot of room to "wiggle out of things" if they don't want to give inspectors access. They could also take advantage of the 24-day delay to pave or paint over evidence of building the components needed to produce a nuclear weapon. …” |
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Title: Re: Iran’s threats… Post by zevenenergie on 06/18/25 at 07:43:54 If you look closely, it was the republicans who created agood relationship with Iran and under democrats it went wrong. http://https://i.imgur.com/xIcDEUKm.jpg And don't start about religion because religion is a system of power. The republicans understood that. |
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Title: Re: Iran’s threats… Post by Eegore on 06/18/25 at 07:49:16 I agree with the response. There was a 60 day window to enter and begin results based negotiations. Day 61 of "we aren't ready yet" = consequences. When a nation stalls as long as Iran has for years, there needs to be action. I for one think a focus on leadership is a great idea. They also need to hit the tech sector, Crypto is holding a ton of hidden assets. I'm not sure we can get a Qaddafi scenario out of the Iranian populace, but we can try. |
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Title: Re: Iran’s threats… Post by zevenenergie on 06/18/25 at 08:37:05 Eisenhower had a political structure in Iran that he could support. There isn't one now. The chance that you create one is zero. And Iraq is very difficult to conquer by land because of its land shape. This is not just any war. I'm sure you feel that too. This is out of control. So you cant control it, and you have another gaza. So what do you do? All Palestinians to Iran? Now that's a real terrorist state. :o |
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Title: Re: Iran’s threats… Post by Eegore on 06/18/25 at 10:29:05 Permanent conflict resolution is the eradication of Iran or Israel. Israel and the US are allies with open trade and travel. Iran leadership states they will use nuclear weapons on the US the first chance they get. The US should eradicate which country? |
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Title: Re: Iran’s threats… Post by Serowbot on 06/18/25 at 11:29:54 Ukraine war will end on day one Peace in Gaza Buy Greenland Canada will be a state If Biden is elected there will be war with Iran Asked about Iran, Trump says "You don't know what I'm Gonna' do" True..... even he don't know what he's gonna' do That's Taco Don |
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Title: Re: Iran’s threats… Post by zevenenergie on 06/19/25 at 03:25:20 Nice, but you have to look at the important strategic questions that many Amerikan analysts are currently occupied with. China currently has a relatively more favorable strategic position in terms of material supply than the West. The US can still act strongly, but combining a long-term attrition conflict with broader support for Israel and Ukraine is becoming increasingly difficult to sustain without escalating military production and budget. Switching to a war economy? Less profit, more production? Will America get the EU/NATO on board? China is undoubtedly coming with an invasion of Taiwan at exactly the right time. The situation is largely Biden's making with his "attempt" to "end corruption in Ukraine." And you blame Trump? |
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Title: Re: Iran’s threats… Post by WebsterMark on 06/19/25 at 03:50:08 After the strike on the hospital, I believe Israel will begin to target Iran’s leadership. |
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Title: Re: Iran’s threats… Post by zevenenergie on 06/19/25 at 05:25:01 https://www.aljazeera.com/#flips-6374566166112 In Gaza it is allowed. Maybe it would be best to drop a bomb on that guy with the face of an idiot. |
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Title: Re: Iran’s threats… Post by Eegore on 06/19/25 at 06:53:03 In Gaza they had munitions and a planning center inside Al-Shifa hospital. I have images of the tunnel connections in Rantisi from staff there that are 7 years old. |
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Title: Re: Iran’s threats… Post by WebsterMark on 06/19/25 at 07:10:24 Islamic terrorist, Hamas, use hospitals at shields. Israel does not. There is no moral equivalency between the two and it really diminishes yourself when you do that. |
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Title: Re: Iran’s threats… Post by MnSpring on 06/19/25 at 07:44:41 Israel does not, nor never has, HID terrorist in Hospitals. Israel has NEVER, threatened to BOMB countries with Nuclear bombs. Who has hid, (deep underground, UNDER A MOUNTAIN), a Nuclear facility, and NOT LET inspectors in. Who has threatened many Nations. Who, (out of the blue), KILLED, Took Hostage, and Bombed, a Nation for no reason other than to eradicate them. |
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Title: Re: Iran’s threats… Post by zevenenergie on 06/19/25 at 08:14:08 Realy https://www.youtube.com/shorts/eV7OQPBxf9k I would think it would be fair if you could give me the list of actions of the Mossat from 1951. So not all that have been in the news but also the top secret actions. And then also the list of all actions of America, of all oil related crimes. Then we will go through them together tonight and if it turns out that Iran had nothing to defend then I will buy a round. |
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Title: Re: Iran’s threats… Post by Serowbot on 06/19/25 at 08:32:38 5D4251424942494255404E42270 wrote:
Trump? http://https://www.goodthingsguy.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/donald-trump-idiot-google-1.jpg |
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Title: Re: Iran’s threats… Post by zevenenergie on 06/19/25 at 09:27:26 No of course not. ;) I'm happy he's coming to the Netherlands soon, and I live half an hour's drive from where he'll tell Nato what happens next. [smiley=thumbsup.gif] If you want me to say hello, just say so. |
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Title: Re: Iran’s threats… Post by MnSpring on 06/19/25 at 18:31:13 5C4350434843484354414F43260 wrote:
Just tell him, to tell ICE, go to a town, listen for a leaf blower, then check the other 4 that are standing around, leaning on a rake. |
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Title: Re: Iran’s threats… Post by Eegore on 06/19/25 at 19:57:49 I would think it would be fair if you could give me the list of actions of the Mossat from 1951. So not all that have been in the news but also the top secret actions. And then also the list of all actions of America, of all oil related crimes. Then we will go through them together tonight and if it turns out that Iran had nothing to defend then I will buy a round. While you have a point, I feel like foreign policy should revolve around tomorrow and less around what happened decades ago. This is just pointing out how your grandad broke a window when trying to figure out how to get Billy to stop breaking windows tomorrow. The reason the US has good relations with Germany is not only because we don't bring up Hitler every time we need to negotiate, but because the US and Germany do not have fundamentalist religions stating the other one can not exist. The US and Israel are not innocent in any of the Middle East activities, but at the end of the day Israel and the US aren't required to eradicate all Muslims. This specific issue with Iran having weaponized uranium means only one thing: They use it on Israel. |
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Title: Re: Iran’s threats… Post by zevenenergie on 06/20/25 at 02:48:06 There must be willingness from both sides to come to cooperation, I see that too. When I look at Israel, I see a collective trauma from the Second World War. Mossat was founded to ensure that something like that will never happen again. And that combined with the Jewish mind of profiting from every situation, being the chosen people and that the country was promised to them. That's quite a hostile mindset! We look at everything from our Western culture, but if you were to eliminate the Iranian leader, that would be like eliminating the Pope for the Muslim world. And the West has not learned from previous conflicts. We are the ones who throw stones at the windows in there eyes. The Muslim world sees the repetition of Iraq, Libya, Gaza, the many coups in Africa. The genocide in Gaza seems justified to the Americans, but for the Muslim world I can tell you with 99% certainty that they see it as the devil at work. We could say that religion is the origin of this but that is not the case. We humans are lived by all kinds of forces. Religion only covers that with a thin layer. Netanyanu only has to say that Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is Hitler and all Jews are hit in their collective pain and presto the hatred bursts out of people's ears. My point is we are not separate from what is happening in the Middle East, we are also a plaything of the forces that are in man and we contribute to the conflict. You cannot say that the past does not play a role, because you yourself are still under the spell of the past because you have been shaped by your culture, your upbringing, your traumas, your religion, etc. It has shaped you and you have identified with it. Only when you step out of your conditioning (out of your thinking) and meet your hate, fear, perversions and dissolve them.Come home in your body. Only then do you live in the Here and Now. Only then you are a reiligius person, because there is nothing between you and God anymore. So be very careful with what you say about killing a leader, it has already escalated too far, we should have gone inside a long time ago. Feel what is going on inside us. And take responsibility for it. What is happening in the world now is because we are identified with our conditioned mind. The Americans, the Israelis, the Iranians, the whole word. We are all struggling with the same thing. |
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Title: Re: Iran’s threats… Post by Eegore on 06/20/25 at 06:24:22 When I look at Israel, I see a collective trauma from the Second World War. Mossat was founded to ensure that something like that will never happen again. And that combined with the Jewish mind of profiting from every situation, being the chosen people and that the country was promised to them. That's quite a hostile mindset! I think saying the "Jewish Mind" in itself is fundamentally flawed. Societies change, collective outlooks change. It's really no different than people saying everyone in Europe is pro-Colonialism and wants slaves. We look at everything from our Western culture, but if you were to eliminate the Iranian leader, that would be like eliminating the Pope for the Muslim world. Except the Pope isn't preaching for Catholics to actively kill other religions. Iran leaders are. That's quite a hostile mindset! If the Vatican was going to use a nuke on Iran the second they got one, then we would have an equal comparison. The Muslim world sees the repetition of Iraq, Libya, Gaza, the many coups in Africa. The genocide in Gaza seems justified to the Americans, but for the Muslim world I can tell you with 99% certainty that they see it as the devil at work. Possibly, however none of the Muslims I know consider it "genocide". Since all Jews are the Devil, it's the Devil at work when Jewish aid workers worked in medical centers in the West Bank too. Interesting how it's not the devil at work when Palestinians parade a naked Israeli woman around. How many Palestinians were beheaded and broadcasted by Israel? Israel is not innocent, but a lot of Muslim leaders simply do stupid sh!t. Beheading people, fine, broadcasting it = stupid. They should really expect consequences for that. You cannot say that the past does not play a role, because you yourself are still under the spell of the past because you have been shaped by your culture, your upbringing, your traumas, your religion, etc. It has shaped you and you have identified with it. I think that logic is flawed. I don't think a human raised Catholic will identify with Catholicism for instance. The past plays a role, but it does not dictate future actions. Comparing who's great grandfather killed more does what for nuclear proliferation exactly? My great grandfather killed Germans, should that be compared to how many Americans my German supply chain director's family killed when negotiating? |
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Title: Re: Iran’s threats… Post by WebsterMark on 06/20/25 at 09:02:53 When I read stuff that zeven writes as a way to justify moral equivalency between two entities where there is no moral equivalency , I’m reminded of an old story I heard years ago. Whether it’s true or not I don’t know but it illustrates a good point. Supposedly a British officer in India came upon the funeral pyre of an old wealthy man. They were tying his very much alive widow on top before lighting the logs. When the officer intervened, he was told to stay out of it, that this was their custom. The officer replied it was English custom to shoot anyone who tried to burn a woman alive. The point is while it’s sometimes difficult to clearly see right from wrong when it comes to certain customs, there are some things which are universally wrong. Burning an innocent woman alive because her husband died is universally wrong. The Islamic terrorist goal to kill and wipe Israel off the map is universally wrong. Israel does not have that same mindset towards the Islamic world. That’s the difference that for whatever reason you can’t seem to grasp which causes you to diminish yourself by trying to link the two together. |
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Title: Re: Iran’s threats… Post by Serowbot on 06/20/25 at 11:01:32 So, justifying the your actions against someone else because it's your belief, is wrong but your actions are based on your belief, which might also be wrong but who you're acting against, or for, may have another belief entirely I think I get that more than you do When everyone has a moral compass, who decides the direction? Perhaps who is most affected |
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Title: Re: Iran’s threats… Post by Eegore on 06/20/25 at 11:59:42 When everyone has a moral compass, who decides the direction? Perhaps who is most affected This has a low probability. The one most capable decides. For instance who decides if Israel gets nuked by Iran? The side that has the best ability to produce their desired outcome. We run an exercise with teams going to Africa where they are transporting a female with a baby from one location to another. They get stopped (or pinned down by resistance depending on the participant group type) The situation evolves into making a decision to abandon the baby so the rest survive, or take the chance fighting a superior force, or surrender/death. The baby will almost always die. Why is that? The humans with the greater propensity to choose and survive will do that. |
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Title: Re: Iran’s threats… Post by thumperclone on 06/20/25 at 12:03:36 4E5142515A515A5146535D51340 wrote:
tell him to KMA |
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Title: Re: Iran’s threats… Post by zevenenergie on 06/20/25 at 14:50:09 7660776A72676A71050 wrote:
Standing up for the weak plays a role. and I think you have to judge each situation on its own, there is no universal attitude possible. But it is good to look from needs, where does the other need safety, for example, because people like to fulfill someone's need. If the Israelis and the Palestinians would come together and speak from their needs, the conflict could be resolved within an hour Morality and good and bad is something of the mind and you want to go to the heart. The mind cannot make friends because it is a defense / survival mechanism. Mind is a tool, but it must be in service of the heart in order to function properly. And thats the problem we think we are te mind but we are te hart. |
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Title: Re: Iran’s threats… Post by WebsterMark on 06/20/25 at 15:29:19 If the Israelis and the Palestinians would come together and speak from their needs, the conflict could be resolved within an hour And that’s not possible when one side’s position is the elimination of the other. That’s my point, there is no moral equivalency between the two. |
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Title: Re: Iran’s threats… Post by Eegore on 06/20/25 at 16:41:17 If the Israelis and the Palestinians would come together and speak from their needs, the conflict could be resolved within an hour And that’s not possible when one side’s position is the elimination of the other. That’s my point, there is no moral equivalency between the two. Exactly. One side requires the death of the other. Even if Hamas was given all the land and every Jew moved to America, or Antarctica, all they would do is start attacking Jews there. The only resolution is the elimination of one of them. |
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Title: Re: Iran’s threats… Post by Needles on 06/21/25 at 07:37:17 Sounds like the MAGA/Democrat feud in the US. |
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Title: Re: Iran’s threats… Post by zevenenergie on 06/21/25 at 10:22:25 032321293423460 wrote:
Do you mean their need is to kill Jews? |
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Title: Re: Iran’s threats… Post by Eegore on 06/21/25 at 10:58:42 Do you mean their need is to kill Jews? I mean that their doctrine, on the extremist side, is the eradication of Jews, along with all other non Islamic beliefs. Once Jews are gone, Christians gotta go, then Shinto, Jianists, Caodists, Buddhism, they all have to go. The whole, "we can get along" doesn't apply. The only solution when one side says the only acceptable outcome is death of all other faith - is the eradication of one side. The deciding factor will be whoever can kill first and most effective. |
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Title: Re: Iran’s threats… Post by thumperclone on 06/21/25 at 12:14:40 5777757D6077120 wrote:
they consider non Muslims infidels |
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Title: Re: Iran’s threats… Post by zevenenergie on 06/21/25 at 12:30:13 Do the Jews need security? What would Netanyanu's need be? Does he have a deep need for recognition? It seems that he wants to go down in history as a kind of Hitler. Hitler was rejected from the art academy. World history would have looked different if he had been accepted. A little counseling can't hurt at all. Don,t you think? What would be the effect if the leaders of Iran and Israel had a meeting where Mister Rogers would be present? There is always another solution possible than killing one of the two parties. Do you think so? What do you do whit your mad? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMuJcrolgUA |
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Title: Re: Iran’s threats… Post by Eegore on 06/21/25 at 13:05:11 What would be the effect if the leaders of Iran and Israel had a meeting where Mister Rogers would be present? Iran would kill Mr. Rogers because he is not of Islam, unless someone with more power stops them. It doesn't matter how much one side wants peace, or a Negotiator/Mediator wants peace, they all need to want peace. One wants the death of the other. There is always another solution possible than killing one of the two parties. Do you think so? What do you do whit your mad? This requires both sides agree that the other can live. Islamic extremism like Hamas that Iran funds, does not agree. They require the death of all Jews. You can keep asking what if both sides agree, but one requires the other not exist. That's why there is no moral equivalency. |
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Title: Re: Iran’s threats… Post by Serowbot on 06/21/25 at 14:24:59 Islam needs to evolve a bit more Right now, they're still somewhat undercooked For Christians (most) and Jews it's more of a tradition than a literal belief Taking any religion too seriously is a recipe for disaster |
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Title: Re: Iran’s threats… Post by zevenenergie on 06/22/25 at 04:56:12 78585A524F583D0 wrote:
The problem with morality is that it is a part of the thin layer of civilization. Underneath that are forces within us that take over. |
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