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Message started by Gus on 07/13/16 at 08:47:26

Title: know anything about this stuff (zddp additive)
Post by Gus on 07/13/16 at 08:47:26

Rislone Engine oil supplement with 3X the zddp?
It says to add only 2 oz. In motorcycle.
I'm just looking for something local foe the next oil change which I coming up soon.

Title: Re: know anything about this stuff (zddp additive)
Post by verslagen1 on 07/13/16 at 08:57:54

http://rislone.com/product/3x-concentrated-engine-oil-supplement-with-zinc-treatment/

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dosage: Use as directed in gasoline & diesel engines, antique & classic cars, motorcycles (4 stroke except wet clutch), tractors, agricultural & industrial machinery, and all racing applications.
size: 11 fl.oz. (325 mL)

Title: Re: know anything about this stuff (zddp additive)
Post by Gus on 07/13/16 at 09:12:04

Thanks Versy, it does mention motorcycles on the bottle ut not wet clutches. NiX that idea I guess

Title: Re: know anything about this stuff (zddp additive)
Post by verslagen1 on 07/13/16 at 09:19:54

Another product... ZDDPmax

http://www.zddpmaxx.com/

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There is nothing in ZDDP Maxx that was not already in motor oil prior to implementation of the new E.P.A. standards and the introduction of "SM" oils. ZDDP simply brings your "SM" rated oil back to "SF" specifications over 1910 ppm phosphours & 2200 ppm zinc this additive can be used in motorcycle oil with or without wet clutches . It will add the ability to improve shifting over the past 2 years motorcycle oil has suffered greatly.

Title: Re: know anything about this stuff (zddp additive)
Post by cheapnewb24 on 07/13/16 at 09:28:48

ZDDP MAXX is what I use. It comes in a little bottle and it was about the cheapest stuff I could find. It is also very concentrated. You shouldn't use the whole thing... I'd guess a quarter of the bottle, but that may be more than you need. I don't remember for sure how much I used. If you use Rotella, you won't need to add a lot to get where you want.

Hey, Dave, I found something that might be interesting, if it's not already known. On the steering tube, it tells the grade of oil to use. Guess what it says?

SF or SG

Now ain't that cute?

Shoulda painted it across the side of the gas tank in huge letters: FEED ME ZDDP OR I'LL DIE!!!!

Title: Re: know anything about this stuff (zddp additive)
Post by cheapnewb24 on 07/13/16 at 09:34:04

But then... it could be simply that the engine was designed in the 80's and they forgot to update the oil information on my 2004 model... OR NOT!

Title: Re: know anything about this stuff (zddp additive)
Post by Gus on 07/13/16 at 11:30:39

I'd been just running straight Rotella 15/40 until oldfeller made his latest update on the demise of zddp concentrations in Rotella recently. Thought I'd start bumping it little.

Title: Re: know anything about this stuff (zddp additive)
Post by cheapnewb24 on 07/13/16 at 11:43:59

https://www.amazon.com/Zddp-Maxx-Shipping-additive-Phosphorus/dp/B003MAG004

According to the description, 1/4 bottle sounds pretty reasonable. Would everyone agree?

Title: Re: know anything about this stuff (zddp additive)
Post by verslagen1 on 07/13/16 at 12:11:58

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If you go 1 qt of this Rislone stuff and 5 qts of regular oil (assume 800 ppm zddp). Then 5000 - 800 = 4200. 4200/6 = 700. And finally 800 + 700 = 1500 ppm in your crankcase. That is comparable to the level in Redline Oil. I woudl go half bottle of Rislone in the crankcase which would be 4200/12 = 350 and 800 +350 = 1150 ppm, which is comparable to the old SL rated oil zddp levels.

:-?

Title: Re: know anything about this stuff (zddp additive)
Post by Gus on 07/13/16 at 12:40:17

The Rislone Engine Oil Supplement I have here states that one 11oz. bottle is best for engines 1996 or older. Half bottle, or 5.5 oz. 1997-2004 model gas engines holding 5 quarts of oil. The bottle I have here isn't nearly a quart but only 11oz.

Title: Re: know anything about this stuff (zddp additive)
Post by verslagen1 on 07/13/16 at 12:59:05

From the BTOG forum...

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The most recent repsonse from ZddPlus:

" SO for 4 liters, and using 900ppm phosphorus oil it would take 1 ounce of ZDDPlus™ to bump the sump ZDDP level to the Alfa’s API SG (1200ppm) recommendation.

Regarding the issue of whether the additive package is compatible with ZDDP, it already is: because ZDDP is already in the oil, and you are only changing the amount by 20%. I have heard people outside of the industry theorize about some critical “balance” which can be upset, but there are several realities which disprove this speculation:

1) The level of both ZDDP and detergent declines from the first time you start the engine after the oil change. If the exact level of available chemical was critical, the oil should then stop protecting the engine soon after the change…it does not.

2) The additive package formulators (not the oil companies, the companies that the oil companies buy the additive packages from) publish dosing charts showing how to mix and match the different packages to achieve different results. If the additive manufacturers encourage custom formulations from the stock additives, then…

3) In order to be type approved, every oil must be able to be mixed with any other type approved oil with no dire consequence. Have you ever heard of problems with someone merely mixing two oil types? We have not seen any documented cases of this ever happening. Talk a bout a custom formulation!

Thank you for your continued interest in ZDDPlus™.

Howard Hoyt
Dir. of Engineering
AMI, LLC

Title: Re: know anything about this stuff (zddp additive)
Post by Oldfeller on 07/14/16 at 02:38:03

382B3C3D222F292B207F4E0 wrote:

http://rislone.com/product/3x-concentrated-engine-oil-supplement-with-zinc-treatment/

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Why are you still messing around with Rislone? Here is a blanket general sort of statement, your clutch in your Savage can react adversely to friction modifiers and any form of long polymer thickness additives -- modifiers that are used in MOST of the off the shelf automotive ZDDP booster products and/or any STP type of product.

What we want is pretty much pure ZDDP -- it comes in little bitty tiny bottles or diluted in a good Redline synthetic carrier oil that has to be SHAKEN VERY WELL each time you use it (and it needs to be stored inside where it is air conditioned).

Read the ZDDP booster thread in Tech Section, it refers back to several older oil wars where all this sort of stuff was discovered, researched and codified. And now the newest of that knowledge has been extensively tested by list members for pushing 6-8 years now.

And we keep testing and probing as our oils continuously shift underneath us ......

Title: Re: know anything about this stuff (zddp additive)
Post by Gus on 07/14/16 at 07:13:39

5370787A797070796E1C0 wrote:

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