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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> The Cafe >> Is the end of the Savage near? /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1466621029 Message started by Dave on 06/22/16 at 11:43:49 |
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Title: Is the end of the Savage near? Post by Dave on 06/22/16 at 11:43:49 We have discussed this a few time before - but I just read something that may be a sign of impending doom. On January 1, 2016 a whole new set of rules was adopted across Europe. The rules are titled Regulation (EU) No. 168/2013, and it sets new emission limits, and it also requires ABS brakes and emission diagnostic systems (check engine light kinda stuff). Starting on January 1, 2016 all new production bikes are affected, and bike models that are currently in production will have to meet the new requirements by January 1, 2017 (the Savage is one of those). So unless Suzuki adds fuel injection, a cataylst, ABS, and a computer to monitor the emissions (oxygen sensor, computer....and most likely fuel injection)....the Savage most likely won't be sold in the European countries that are part of the EU. I don't know if the US and other parts of the world buy enough of the bikes that Suzuki can continue to sell the Savage "as is", or if Suzuki is planning on updating or eliminating the Savage....however I believe 2016 could be the last Savage. :( |
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Title: Re: Is the end of the Savage near? Post by verslagen1 on 06/22/16 at 12:03:22 I thought that was going to happen in 2010. |
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Title: Re: Is the end of the Savage near? Post by oldNslow on 06/22/16 at 12:30:01 Does anyone know for sure when the last year the current savage/s40 was sold in EU countries. I don't think it met the last generation of EU regs either. I don't know for sure where else thy are sold right now except here and in Australia. I also don't know if Austrailian bikes need to be EC compliant. After tomorrow British bikes might not need to be either :P |
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Title: Re: Is the end of the Savage near? Post by Dave on 06/22/16 at 12:30:35 These new limits are called "EURO 4".....and they set new limits for carbon monoxide, unburned hydrocarbons and oxides of nitrogen. So I would guess they have set standards 3 times previously. The article is in the June issue of Motor Cyclist. It shows a current US spec Ducati Panigale with an underbelly exhaust, and the EU version which has 2 more pipes going back a couple more feet on the right side. If you want to read the document.....here it is! http://www.eltis.org/sites/eltis/files/celex-32013r0168-en-txt.pdf It could be that the EU market is not a big deal for the Savage, and maybe Suzuki will just keep selling them in the countries where it is still legal. |
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Title: Re: Is the end of the Savage near? Post by Ruttly on 06/22/16 at 12:34:45 EFI would be a nice upgrade, Power Comanders & TURBOs would work well on Savages with that stock low compression ratio! Play Time! |
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Title: Re: Is the end of the Savage near? Post by batman on 06/22/16 at 13:35:54 So the new EU regs are going to limit horse power to 74kw that's 100 hp, guess they're not going to sell many of the larger ninjas types in EU! They may even have to detune some of the larger cruisers. |
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Title: Re: Is the end of the Savage near? Post by Ruttly on 06/22/16 at 15:12:56 Yamaha has had EFI on the SR400 for some years now. If they sell enough units yearly, Suzuki would be smart to upgrade it and continue selling the Savage , it's a nich in the market no one build anything like it ! |
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Title: Re: Is the end of the Savage near? Post by gizzo on 06/22/16 at 15:52:20 Yamaha are set to ditch the sr400 partly because it won't meet euro 4 and royal Enfield are also planning major changes. The efi sr400 and Enfield bullet are both injected. Air cooling seems to be the problem. Australia doesn't comply with eu standards but has its own system almost as bad. |
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Title: Re: Is the end of the Savage near? Post by engineer on 06/22/16 at 17:49:41 Air cooling is still possible. The new Moto Guzzi V9 series is E4 compliant and is air cooled. This new series with a new engine was specifically created to meet the Euro 4 standards. They had to redesign the heads and increase the displacement from the V7's 750cc to about 854cc. The new bike is not a hot machine but it has good torque characteristics. It appears that major engineering efforts are required to meet the standard and still maintain air cooling. But a company like Guzzi being in Italy has little choice. I've also been wondering if the Savage will be produced much longer. It hasn't been updated in a long time and that may be an indicator that its' end is near. I like mine so much that if I hear they are going to end production I will pick up another one as a spare just in case I wear out the one I have. Sadly the EU has become the world's leader in environmental legislation and what happens there will likely be imposed upon us as well. I believe that western governments are plotting the end of the internal combustion engine by regulating them into costly low power units so that electrics will finally win out. Just my opinion. |
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Title: Re: Is the end of the Savage near? Post by gizzo on 06/22/16 at 19:51:46 53515A5158515D47340 wrote:
Sure. There are a bunch of bikes out there still air cooled and continually developed. But the SR isn't selling that well, so probs isn't worth spending up on to get it E4 compliant. Suzuki will probably feel the same way about the Cabbage. Easier to let it go than spend loads making it compliant. That's my take on it anyway. Was just pointing out that adding injection won't make the Cabbage meet the new regs. |
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Title: Re: Is the end of the Savage near? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/22/16 at 19:54:44 Im not so concerned about the end of the savage as I am the savage end. |
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Title: Re: Is the end of the Savage near? Post by Dave on 06/23/16 at 06:05:55 72707B7079707C66150 wrote:
So what will happen with all the crude oil? Will the government keep that for their use......the military still gets to use the good stuff? Betcha the EPA isn't allowed to regulate those engines. I am 60 years old, and I would imagine that I have another 15 -20 years that I can ride. I bet I can keep riding the stuff I currently own as long as I can still buy fuel that will run in them. The fuel injected NT700 might be a problem for parts 15 years from now - but likely I will always be able to cobble something together to keep the Savage running. I should gather up a few spares of the parts that can be problematic. |
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Title: Re: Is the end of the Savage near? Post by Serowbot on 06/23/16 at 07:27:01 An EFI Savage?... they might as well kill it... In 5 years or so,.. I may pick up a used, low mile, 2016 Savage and it should outlast me... Hate to transfer all my mods though... :-/ |
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Title: Re: Is the end of the Savage near? Post by oldNslow on 06/23/16 at 07:58:30 Quote:
I got a slightly different plan. If my S40 ever dies, I'm gonna find an old, oil drippin', carbureted Sportster and go rumblin' off into the sunset. Might even put some drag pipes on it - by then I oughta be just about deaf anyway, so that won't bother me none. The EU4 folks, the EPA, and all the other "regulators" can just choke on my smoke and slither around on the oil spots. |
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Title: Re: Is the end of the Savage near? Post by Dave on 06/23/16 at 08:11:20 There was a time about 10 years ago, that the State of Kentucky had a vehicle inspection program for the 3 northern counties near Cincinnati. Because of the poor air quality where all the traffic is, we had to use reformulated fuel, and they did a tailpipe test on our cars. If your car did not pass the test, you had to get it fixed. A few years later the government did the "Cash for Clunkers" program to get the non-EPA compliant cars off the streets. The ironic part of all this - is that the testing station was on a 4 lane road leading to the counties directly south.......and the smoke belching, oil dripping, beater cars and trucks could just roll on by us and our tailpipe testing program on their way into work each day. Eventually the testing program went away....but we still have that crappy reformulated fuel. |
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Title: Re: Is the end of the Savage near? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/23/16 at 12:02:34 Eventually the testing program went away....but we still have that crappy reformulated fuel. Was it supposed to be a Temporary Program? Nothing is as permanent as a Temporary guvamint preaugrayum.. |
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Title: Re: Is the end of the Savage near? Post by Dave on 06/23/16 at 12:25:36 3D2224233E3908380830222E65570 wrote:
I have no idea. Our counties are in the "Opt In" areas. Most likely it is tied to the distribution of roads funds....and if you want the Govt. to give you some of "your" money back to fix your roads....you need to play their shell game. https://www.epa.gov/gasoline-standards/reformulated-gasoline |
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Title: Re: Is the end of the Savage near? Post by jcstokes on 06/23/16 at 13:45:16 Engineers comments about electrics are interesting. I know someone who has a BMW electric car. He states that forty percent of new car registrations in Norway are electric. It was mentioned on the radio here the other day, that Norway PROPOSES to stop importing new internal combustion cars in 2020 and to gradually have all new commercial vehicles electric by 2030. There was no mention of motorcycles and it is only a PROPOSAL at this stage. |
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Title: Re: Is the end of the Savage near? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/23/16 at 14:44:36 Asstoot osbervation, Dave... Gasoline taxes sent by states, To D.C., and returned to the states for road maintenance, IF the states enforce the speed limits the feds, uhh, suggest. |
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Title: Re: Is the end of the Savage near? Post by Kris01 on 06/23/16 at 16:16:46 786761667B7C4D7D4D75676B20120 wrote:
We have a temporary wheel tax that the Feds charge at registration time. I think it's $25. It was started around 1989 as a one time thing. I pay it every year! :-? |
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Title: Re: Is the end of the Savage near? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/23/16 at 21:09:16 Well, temporary means something that is not permanent. Permanent lasts For Ev Vurrr.... We are temporary. Your wife's Permanent? It's Temporary. But who is gonna pay $80.00 for a Temporary? Your school record? Permanent. Someone Else's school record? Sealed Permanently. |
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