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Title: Chrome vs Firefox -- a browser head to head war Post by Oldfeller on 05/21/14 at 08:11:24 Ok, I am running Linux Mint Mate 17 and it seems to be quicker and better than previous Mint versions. However, the "I'm still moving in" thing is still going on and I am beginning to see a BIG difference between the performance of Firefox and Chrome since I commonly use both of them as occasion demands. Chrome is outperforming Firefox on just about every comparison I have made. Spell checking works on Chrome without fiddling, Adblock puts NO DELAY into Chrome, but puts nearly a second on Firefox when opening an ad related screen. On Firefox the ad sits there long enough to be visible, but on Chrome it never shows at all. Typing in the YaBB posting box is something that gets problematical in Firefox sometimes, but in Chrome it just works. ===================================== If you are still using MS Internet Explorer, I pity you. Microsoft is trying to sell ads now and some of the add boxes you see jumping up on you just lately are MS integral to your Explorer, so good luck getting rid of them, ever. I use Explorer at work and it has whole SECONDS of delay compared to either Firefox or Chrome (with Chrome being the quickest and least issues of the entire crew right now). ===================================== I've got my troublesome new state of the art Steam games all working now on Mint Mate 17 (the new AMD/ATI proprietary driver package with Mint 17 did the trick). ALL MY GAMES ARE WORKING TOO !!!!! :D life is good !!! I am gone from Windows now forever, unless my wife needs me to fix one of her laptops that is. |
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Title: Re: Chrome vs Firefox -- a browser head to head wa Post by mpescatori on 05/21/14 at 23:01:40 OK, not-so-newbie question: To copy my IE Favorites to a new PC, I just look for the "Favorites" folder in the IE mother folder and copy it to the new PC. How do I copy Firefox and Chrome favorites to a new PC ? :-/ |
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Title: Re: Chrome vs Firefox -- a browser head to head wa Post by Serowbot on 05/22/14 at 00:26:30 You can choose "sync" in options... and save yer' setting online, to share with other 'puters in your stable...(you'll have to create an account,... it will copy bookmarks and settings)... ... or,... go into bookmarks, and choose "manage bookmarks"or "show all bookmarks", then import/export bookmarks ... save as an HTML file... then import into your new browser through the bookmark manager there... The bummer is,... I haven't found a way to import passwords... I just have to re-password every site... :P... |
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Title: Re: Chrome vs Firefox -- a browser head to head wa Post by Oldfeller on 05/22/14 at 07:49:31 I keep a set of little post it notes where I write down the name and password for every site that I use. It is a pain, but passwords do have to be transferred manually since they are protected every which a way in all systems out there, there simply ain't no "going to get them for you". One (1) and only one thing Firefox does better than Chrome -- automatic font resizing. I use a dinosaur flat screen 19" monitor and this means my reading size of my fonts is too small if I allow modern programs to run at their natural pixel settings. Firefox auto adjusts better than Chrome, but in Chrome it is a 4 click dive into systems advanced settings to tune the fonts to be bigger. Issue then becomes the YaBB text box we all type into when we post. I type looking at fonts so small I can barely read them unless I re-size the page using Control+/- which is a bit of a pain since you got to put it back when you get done. I am reluctant to adjust my monitor resolution back to VGA levels (my old trick to make everything bigger all the time) because it will foul up my games which are working correctly right now. HAS ANYONE FOUND OUT HOW TO INCREASE FONT SIZE INSIDE THE YaBB TEXT BOX? |
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Title: Re: Chrome vs Firefox -- a browser head to head wa Post by Greg on 05/22/14 at 09:24:11 You can export bookmarks to an html file, stick it on a flash drive, and import them into any browser on any PC. |
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Title: Re: Chrome vs Firefox -- a browser head to head wa Post by Greg on 05/22/14 at 09:26:01 Passwords can be exported from FF using a plugin (for other browsers I would assume as well) and imported into the same browser on a new PC. There may be some cross compatibility, I don't know. |
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Title: Re: Chrome vs Firefox -- a browser head to head wa Post by old_rider on 05/22/14 at 13:34:11 Attempting a font style/size change Does not show till you post it.... I am using the default setting and running firefox on mint17 |
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Title: Re: Chrome vs Firefox -- a browser head to head wa Post by Oldfeller on 05/23/14 at 20:00:21 Typing inside the YaBB text box is unaffected by what you did. That is just blowing up the displayed page's font size. In Chrome the YaBB text box letters are very very small. Using Chrome Settings to pick a bigger font size blows up spacing on normal web pages if you make the font larger (usably large) in the YaBB box. It is a puzzlement. Maybe it will shake out as Mint 17 matures over the next month or so. |
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Title: Re: Chrome vs Firefox -- a browser head to head wa Post by Oldfeller on 05/27/14 at 09:28:15 Ok, I mentioned that Firefox has ongoing problems with the YaBB text box that we all type into when we post. I hoped it would go away with the Mint 17 upgrade, but no, it has remained pretty much the same. Chrome has issues with sizing the same YaBB pages, the size and aspect shift when using the old primitive YaBB posting and reading pages. Both browsers have issues with YaBB, so you got to suspect that YaBB is the culprit, not the browsers. Chrome is much quicker to put a page up and the adblock function works flawlessly. So far, Chrome wins the head to head. Looking to see Chrome + make it into service so I can talk to my PC and have it respond |
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Title: Re: Chrome vs Firefox -- a browser head to head wa Post by Greg on 05/27/14 at 09:59:12 Chrome definitely wins in the "gather as much personal information about the user and make money from it" department. That is the main reason I will never use it. Ever. I despise Google. They collect enough information about me. I will stop it where I can. |
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Title: Re: Chrome vs Firefox -- a browser head to head wa Post by Oldfeller on 05/27/14 at 13:42:08 Google creeps some people out because Google keeps a voice recognition file on you and they can predict where you are searching and they can predict your next word when you are texting. folks like me and my daughter who embrace what Google can do get a lot of utility out of this advanced "me knowledge". MS is trying to be like Google, and if Microsoft knows much as Google knows about me I wouldn't like it at all. But perhaps you like or trust MS better than Google ...... |
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Title: Re: Chrome vs Firefox -- a browser head to head wa Post by Greg on 05/27/14 at 14:48:54 Yes, I trust MS more than Google. Especially when it comes to mobile apps. MS does not permit the vendors to see your email address and other stuff. Every Android app Dev gets all your info. |
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Title: Re: Chrome vs Firefox -- a browser head to head wa Post by Art Webb on 05/29/14 at 20:36:58 off topic slightly but I have a question for the tech savvy, how secure are the android apps on cell phones? I my cell uses 2.3.6 secure enough for banking / cc orders? or no? |
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Title: Re: Chrome vs Firefox -- a browser head to head wa Post by Oldfeller on 05/30/14 at 00:56:10 I would not do banking on an android 2.x phone. Too old, too primitive. That android wasn't built with banking in mind at all. Then again, I would not do banking on an android 4.4.2 phone either. I don't do banking on Windows XP either -- I stick with hard wired Linux for secure applications like on line banking. My bank does not offer a secure android app for banking yet -- the bank's app is what makes you secure or not. Apps exist for most banks for ipods and iphones since Apple is relatively secure as an OS -- but Apple is now getting hit with security issues about every other month lately. Making a good banking app for mobile with good security is not all that easy to do. Remember, your data has to be very well encrypted since it gets beamed out over the air and can be intercepted and read by all sorts of radio wave equipment. The bank is responsible for a leaky app, so they are getting reluctant to put an app out there which can give them a big potential loss to cover. |
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Title: Re: Chrome vs Firefox -- a browser head to head wa Post by Art Webb on 05/30/14 at 01:01:52 ok thanks OF |
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Title: Re: Chrome vs Firefox -- a browser head to head wa Post by Oldfeller on 05/30/14 at 08:41:40 7D787F7473791A0 wrote:
Greg, I take it you own a Windows phone? "Every Android app Dev gets all your info" Not every app takes your data, but quite a few do. Some even pass it along to 3rd parties. Yup, shite happens. It always will. http://lifehacker.com/5715169/these-apps-are-rampantly-stealing-your-info-without-permission Google is (and has always been) real blunt about you using the internet on any device -- the way the net works you have zero expectation of people not being able to see who you are and where you are coming from location-wise. And yes, Google is very good at what it does -- help you find things (such as purchase items and services). I find that if I go looking for something, I get lots of it showing up in side bars ads everywhere no matter where I go -- gets irritating when just after I buy something I get side bar'd about a much better deal somewhere else. Rule of thumb -- look for it and at it for at least a week to be sure you don't waste any money. |
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Title: Re: Chrome vs Firefox -- a browser head to head wa Post by Greg on 05/30/14 at 10:05:16 OF, I'm not going to get into a pissing match over internet privacy. But to answer your question, no, I currently have an Android phone. A windows phone is my next purchase in June though. So, because stuff happens, I should continue giving my privacy away? Do you ever wonder where your spam email comes from? A large part may be from the devs on Android. It won't happen with MS. And I agree Google is good at what it does; collecting information and making money. As far as searching goes, I do it for a living. I flat out disagree that it is better than Bing. As a matter of fact, I think Google is worse than Bing. Google uses your past to predict which results you want. I don't know about you, but I don't search for the same stuff over and over. That's what bookmarks are for. Google also makes me use the asinine real language query to yield relevant results. Bing makes much better use of keyword searches. I don't ever look at the ads on top or side unless I am at work since that is part of my job. I have never been steered wrong with Bing. The only thing that Google does better is allow me to use the site: advanced search operator. I wish they all did that. I also don't buy based on the lowest price. There is so much more to a purchase than that. I guess the greedy me generation and those that have converted need to save a dollar or two and give up service. I will buy local and American if possible before resorting to the internet. And for those of you who shop on Amazon, I can tell you horror stories about how they are killing the small business with their predatory practices. Again, it is part of my job and I deal with it daily. I think I forgot a part. Google is not very transparent about what they collect. You really need to dig in the agreement to find out. Why can't they just be up front? Why did they change their original "do no harm" business style to amassing the the largest database of people on the planet? |
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Title: Re: Chrome vs Firefox -- a browser head to head wa Post by Oldfeller on 05/30/14 at 10:16:29 No, I doubt we would ever really agree on very much right now since you LIKE and TRUST Microsoft and would actually prefer to have a Windows phone. I get it that you think Google is the "do evil" devil incarnate, which is something Appleonians started up and the Windozians have continued right along. Since you are an ex-Androidian I guess we will have to listen carefully to your first hand experiences if you choose to share them. I have never had a Windows phone. But, I would like your honest impression on your new Windows phone when you get it. After you pay $$$ for a few MS apps from the MS app store and get them installed and working. Once you get used to it and then start missing the Google services that are built into modern Android ...... that you no longer have. Instead you will have Bing and Bing Services (for as much as you pay for that is). I am an Androdian and an Appleonian and I do Linux and (reluctantly) Windows on PC/laptop platforms. Never had a Windows phone though. :D |
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Title: Re: Chrome vs Firefox -- a browser head to head wa Post by Greg on 05/30/14 at 15:31:14 I would be happy to share my experiences. My next paycheck (2 weeks) is when I plan on doing the phone thing. And I think you misunderstood me OF. I don't particularly like or trust MS. I don't like or trust Google. I don't like or trust Amazon. And I hate and don't trust Apple. Basically, I don't like many companies and trust none. I do believe in using the best tool for the job and if all tools are equal, choosing the lesser priced one. If it weren't for one particular piece of software, I would use Ubuntu for my personal PC. I am not going to dual boot or run Wubi. I just don't have the space on the laptop. So I stick with Win7. As far as MS goes, Win 8.x is a turd. Office 2013 is a turd. I am hoping my W8 experience isn't bad on the phone. Since the OS was built for mobile and adapted to desktop, I believe it will perform better there. I will say that W7/Office 2010 is very solid, stable, and reliable. There is no equivalent to Exchange/Outlook either. Part of my duties include managing our Server 2008/Exchange 2010 environment. However, we just added a second collocated Linux server at Rackspace. So, I do swing both ways. :) I just choose what works best in any given situation. I use both Excel and Calc at work. Depending on the task, one typically works better than the other. I installed Ubuntu on my buddy's netbook and desktop. It works better for him. He is experiencing an issue with one application, but it isn't used often so he lives with it. I also believe Ubuntu/LibreOffice is a solid and dependable combination. And the software repository that I thought I would hate I have actually come to love. Ubuntu isn't as strong as W7 on older laptops when it comes to having the correct driver for the wireless adapter. I can live with that since a cable solves the problem finding it. As far as Google services, I do use YouTube on my personal stuff. I would never use Gmail or any of the "office" applications from them. Of course I have the Play store for my tablet and phone. Aside from that, I don't believe I use anything else so there is nothing to miss. I will continue with YouTube since Vevo is a distant second place. Again, best tool. I can't cut the Android cord and I know it. My ROKU uses a modified version. My DVD player does as well. Heck, most of the set top boxes do. But they don't report back to Google who yes, I think started out awesome and turned evil. Bing has its limitations and I will use Google when needed. I don't typically use the advanced operators on my personal stuff unless I am trying to find something on SuzukiSavage. com. And my belief in Exchange even has me using a cloud version for my personal email. There is nothing like it. And the control I have is almost that of my work Exchange environment. I have contacted their support when I began with them and it was the best support I have ever received from any big company. And by a mile. As far as paying for apps on the phone, I try to do that with what I have now. I dislike ads and will always opt for the paid ad-free version. Unfortunately, the only game I play on my phone does not offer an ad free version but coincidentally, a paid version is available for the MS phone. And it's still only a buck. So I guess I am saying that I am not an Apple fanboi, or MS fanboi, or Android fanboi. I use what I need to use to get the task done in an efficient manner. However, I do dislike giving up my data. When companies like Google know more about me that I know about me, I begin to worry. And I also hate when they think they know what I want, especially in a search query. I am sorry for my disjointed rambling. It was a difficult day at the office and the stuff in my head is jumbled. And I meant no offense. I understand there are people who happily trade privacy for stuff. And that's cool. I am just not one of them. |
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Title: Re: Chrome vs Firefox -- a browser head to head wa Post by Oldfeller on 05/30/14 at 16:51:15 I think your response wasn't rambling at all, it was very well written. Which one of the OS candidates do you think is going to wind up being the one? Or do you think we're going to continue to use a variety of OS / applications for the various things that we currently do. |
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Title: Re: Chrome vs Firefox -- a browser head to head wa Post by Serowbot on 05/30/14 at 17:52:13 I'm not a fan of Google knowing my business either...(I hate that they forced me to link my Youtube to my Google)(painful, that was)... ;D... Lately, I've been switching over to all kinds of new things... Linux, Opera,... and Bing is next... I just tried it,.. and so far, it's giving me good results... Thanks Greg... ;)... |
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Title: Re: Chrome vs Firefox -- a browser head to head wa Post by Oldfeller on 05/30/14 at 19:33:20 Here is the current rankings of the mobile OS world ranked by USAGE, not new sales. This reflects what has been sold in the past and is still being used today. Tablets and phones are grouped together if they use the same OS. Windows does not use the same OS, so they have two separate listings. It is clear that the Appleonians still rule on a historical basis, apparently, by a factor of 2x no less. ;) iOS 58.26% Android 25.28% Java ME 8.86% BlackBerry 3.23% Symbian 2.23% MS Phone 1.15% Kindle 0.81% Bada 0.05% MS Mobile 0.05% Samsung 0.05%Wearables BREW 0.01% LG 0.01% HUAWEI 0.01% ZTE 0.00 The figures above reflect all phones that are in current use as a total cumulative produced over time since smart phones started, they do not reflect on what people are doing right now as they re-up their old phones with new ones or buy their very first smart phone (new users). That answer as reflected below is quite different, showing that new users and re-uppers are picking Android by a very very large majority and apparently quite a few of the historical iPhone users are trying out Android this time around as well. iOS is only getting 14.8% of all current cell phone sales. The total pie plate size of the new sales cell phone pie chart is doubling and tripling yearly and iOS simply isn't there in those sorts of numbers any more. This gets worse as the years roll out. Long term predicted sales are just that, and look sorta like this ..... http://mobilesyrup.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/idc.png At a whopping 80.2% of current sales, Android will soon overcome Apple in the historical usage metrics up top as well, since so many more Android phones are being cranked up now than Apple phones. Windows has a very hard row to hoe since they started what 6-7 years late into the game and their adaptation percentages look to top out eventually at only 6.4% (based on this sites forecast model of course). I like this prediction table, it says that them mysterious OTHERS, them folks we don't even know anything about at all right now are going to be the biggest growing section at 31% growth year on year going out into the future. Truth is, they likely are right in that the future will be different than what we expect it would be. Wearables are squaring off to take over a chunk of the cell phone functionality, with Samsung currently selling the first of such items right now as we speak. What is new and hot is the key, and if new and hot is Android and Open Source (as it tends to be) then MS will never pick up much more than 3% to 7% of the total cell phone market. At these very low levels, app makers and developers will not spend a lot of time on MS apps, since MS apps are not readily translatable across the board in the neat easy way that Apple iOS and Android apps seem to be in the non-MS app world. Lastly, Intel has just very lately totally abandoned "x86 only" COMPLETELY and all designs on all their new mobile processors are designed to run Android now. This recent change in processors to run on has got to play out against Windows phones eventually. :-? Now, if MS does a Windroid (android fork) will all their then new cell phone products be counted just like every other android fork is counted -- as android? |
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Title: Re: Chrome vs Firefox -- a browser head to head wa Post by Greg on 05/31/14 at 05:51:12 everything that I have read shows that Android is by far the leading product in sales.and although the OS will overcome, if it hasn't already, the iOS; the big difference is Android isn't one company where Apple owns the other one, so company wise, Apple still huge and probably unbeatable for a very long time. My thoughts pretty much reflect that of the table that Android is going to be the dominant operating system by a huge margin. Windows will probably drop out in the next year or 3 and Apple will play catch up making cheaper phones and end up where Microsoft is now. That's my prediction. I have no idea if it's accurate. As far as a desktop operating system, if Microsoft doesn't change windows 8 to something I think people really want, they're going to drop substantially. I think some the Linux flavors have a real good chance of becoming the de facto operating system. Such as the Ubuntu because of operating very much like Windows has prior to Windows 8. And that's what the people want. In the Internet industry Linux will still by far, I believe, keep the lead. As far as a small business servers go, until there is an exchange replacement I think Microsoft will dominate there and out of the office products, it is hard to beat the capabilities of Microsoft Office. It's easy to beat the price though. :-) |
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Title: Re: Chrome vs Firefox -- a browser head to head wa Post by Greg on 05/31/14 at 06:11:38 and my last post in this one are both being done with the voice typing since using a mobile device for anything as long as a real pain in the butt to me. I sure hope Windows Phone does it better. I'm sure the Android could if I would store my voice in the clouds but I don't. |
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Title: Re: Chrome vs Firefox -- a browser head to head wa Post by Oldfeller on 05/31/14 at 07:01:31 Windows didn't even HAVE voice recognition until 8 months ago when Nokia did an independent deal with a voice company called TellMe to incorporate TellMe's voice product into Nokia's then current generation of Win phones (because MS had none at all and had no plans for any). MS has since bought TellMe the company outright and MS'd it. Here is Apple's Siri compared to MS TellMe. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxVxPyldvsY And here is an article on voice services in general, which covers all of them. http://www.zdnet.com/blog/cell-phones/siri-understands-intent-beats-google-voice-actions-tellme-and-vlingo/6780 "As you can see, as amazing as Windows Phone 7's TellMe technology is for communications and search, it doesn't go much further than that. There is no text to speech functionality, except within text messaging. There is a lot of work to do by Microsoft to compete with the others in voice, but they do have a solid foundation and a powerful technology with Tellme. As the folks at Pocketnow posted Windows Phone will eventually get functionality like Siri." So, all of them have it, and all of them go about it slightly differently. By keeping a continuously tuned custom voice file on each customer and constantly upgrading their main server software (where all translation takes place on all of them) Google is moving faster than the rest to put good working voice into all new features and to back flush it into full systems integration. This is a very powerful approach. Google + will actually put voice recognition and "GPS style" recommended paths & directions and combine that with current location mapping and verbal search instructions into an iPad 2 which does not even have GPS or the other hardware to do these tricks. Apple isn't happy since they were telling Appleonians they needed to go buy an iPad Air to get a dose of Siri and here comes Google backporting voice recognition into a iPad 2 product that doesn't even have the hardware to support it. ;D -- so you can see how some heavy main server support is important for good cell phone functionality going forward into an ever more complex future. ::) "Hey Google, find me the closest Tai restaurant that is still open." But they all copy each others best tricks, and the gaps between them are getting smaller. Some are just moving faster than the others. |
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Title: Re: Chrome vs Firefox -- a browser head to head wa Post by Greg on 05/31/14 at 07:13:49 I did forget to say that my favorite phone OS was Symbian. I truly enjoyed my nokia phone. It did everything I wanted and it did it super fast and it never crashed. Today that might be different since I use my phone differently but at the time it was freaking awesome. |
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Title: Re: Chrome vs Firefox -- a browser head to head wa Post by Greg on 05/31/14 at 07:15:06 I guess I have to figure out how well the voice stuff works. I do plan on demo in the phone pretty hard before making the purchase it is a huge shift for me. But all I really use it for is dictating her stuff like this because I can't type on such a small device. My thumbs just don't move that way. :-) |
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Title: Re: Chrome vs Firefox -- a browser head to head wa Post by Oldfeller on 05/31/14 at 07:19:21 So, you do use voice a good bit for posting. So do I, unless there is a screen and a big keyboard I will just say it. It is that much quicker. And, even at my PC I freely admit I'd put a microphone out by my keyboard at my PC and "talk it in" then quickly fix if for the goofs as it is so much quicker to do it that way. |
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Title: Re: Chrome vs Firefox -- a browser head to head wa Post by Oldfeller on 05/31/14 at 07:24:55 Now, I got a question for everybody. I know well what MS did to get its evil empire moniker (suing everybody, extorting millions by threatening to sue people, stealing intellectual property from Palto Alto labs, Apple, IBM & Netscape, MS Explorer being gut deep into XP's OS, stealing FOSS software, acting in restraint of trade, US Government anti-trust suits, being "government use banned" in Germany, China, France, etc. etc. etc.) What exactly did Google do to get its current evil empire horns? Seriously, list some stuff please. |
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Title: Re: Chrome vs Firefox -- a browser head to head wa Post by Greg on 05/31/14 at 08:24:10 I will open with this: At the Techonomy conference in 2010, Eric Schmidt predicted that "true transparency and no anonymity" is the way forward for the internet: "In a world of asynchronous threats it is too dangerous for there not to be some way to identify you. We need a [verified] name service for people. Governments will demand it." |
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Title: Re: Chrome vs Firefox -- a browser head to head wa Post by verslagen1 on 05/31/14 at 09:16:37 5550575C5B51320 wrote:
In a world where hackers can spoof this and that, becoming dependent upon true ID as being valid will be a weakness. |
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Title: Re: Chrome vs Firefox -- a browser head to head wa Post by Oldfeller on 05/31/14 at 14:14:24 Google needs to know who is knocking, so they can pull up your voice file and your preferences so they can do all their Googlish tricks for you. And it is true that the government (NSA) does want to know who is talking as they do sort through "the internet" constantly looking for threats to national security. "true transparency and no anonymity" is the way forward for the internet": "In a world of asynchronous threats it is too dangerous for there not to be some way to identify you. We need a [verified] name service for people. Governments will demand it." Google also caught shite for saying bluntly that "On the internet, you have no real expectation of privacy, ever." ====================================== OK, so Google tells it blunt when asked -- the government does want to know who is speaking at all times and NSA has rigged the game so that they always can listen in on you wherever you are, and your IP address is only one of many many things that mean "On the internet, you have no real expectation of privacy, ever". The NSA can listen in on you all the time since your phone has a mic and a speaker that are always on. So you start wearing your new wearable ear rings to bed, does this affect your privacy any? Sure it does, NSA might be listening or recording you to figure out what "Oh my God --- Oh my God --- Harder, harder, I'm going to go soon" means. Google requires you to have an active gmail account to sign into any of their services. Apple requires you to have an Apple ID to even start your device up. MS required you to have and list an active e-mail address (shows how just long it has been since I was a main stream Windozian, don't it). Other than responding to questions and saying the blunt unvarnished truth, what about this makes Google the "great evil" ??? Surely they've done something more nefarious that telling the blunt truth when asked a question by a reporter? Come on .... trot it on out, what did the 'dubious duo' actually go do that was evil incarnate? ======================================= Let's see. things I know about that people will cite eventually ... They copied all the out of copy rite books in the English world and Guggenheim'd and Librivox'd them all, every singe stinkin' one of them. https://librivox.org/ Wanna listen to a good book while you are driving? They drove down every single street and photographed and mapped them all, and they also mapped every single active wifi signal and tied them down to a map location. They also logged into every unsecured public wifi router and tagged them as well so you can ask your phone "Hey Google, where is the nearest wifi hotspot?" and get an real answer. These acts if done by the Government might seem a little Big Brotherish to some, but Google provides data like this to people as part of search services so for them to be collecting it isn't all that surprising. Well, yes it was at the time because they were 3/4 done with it before people even noticed they were doing it at all. Google has surprised people several times by doing things THAT ARE NOT ILLEGAL OR RESTRICTED and having done them so quickly and quietly such that the fait accompli was in the public domain before anyone could do anything about it. Google Earth was showing me mowing my grass on my riding lawn mower with my shirt off and making it available to everyone on line -- this was amazing enough to me but the folks swimming nekid and the women bouncing nekid on their hubbies crotch on the poolside lounge furniture in their back yards got a little upset about it sometimes. So Google put a fuzz filter on that last deepest magnification level so you can't see me or them clearly. Big deal. It is old news now. Is Google's great evil that they are information collectors and dispersers par excellence ? Is "the great evil" that knowledge is available and free for anyone ? Privacy -- show where Google has knowingly dispersed some non-public knowledge and let's talk about those particular privacy destroying episodes. FOR THE FUN OF IT Ask Google how many times you (your full name) have been arrested. (public record, you know) :D Didn't know that you had lived in Washington State, now did you? Folks are just now questioning what a cloud of Google balloons floating around all the time could do -- beyond carrying fast free internet to every corner of the world that is. A crowd of them unmanned delivery drones flying everywhere over everything, all them robot cars and trucks making delivery runs and doing that cheap taxi service stuff, how about them for keeping tabs upon you? ;D Google is suspected of a lot of things, but let's just talk about the ones that bother you the most. Verslagen brings up a good point -- only the honest joes need to worry about having no secrecy on line. The dishonest joes who use bounce sites and filter sites and hardware scramblers and stuff each already have a file at NSA as "persons of interest" and are tracked all the time automatically using their own "protections" to keep track of them ..... ::) |
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Title: Re: Chrome vs Firefox -- a browser head to head wa Post by Oldfeller on 05/31/14 at 17:44:35 http://business.time.com/2013/06/11/google-were-no-nsa-stooge-and-well-prove-it-if-the-feds-let-us/ Google: We’re No NSA Stooge and We’ll Prove It if the Feds Let Us Needless to say the NSA (the government) will not allow any public knowledge of what they do officially ask for, when they don't go steal it anyway through their various means. Please remember, every data packet goes through the main nodes on the US government's internet. I don't think Google pulls any punches when asked questions about NSA trying to get into their server network or bust their data packets. They fight it constantly. http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/20/gmail-traffic-between-google-servers-now-encrypted-to-thwart-nsa-snooping/ Gmail Traffic Between Google Servers Now Encrypted To Thwart NSA Snooping http://tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/screen-shot-2014-03-20-at-10-05-38-am.png?w=738 ====================================== Google has over 100,000 of these servers in farms world wide. Betcha didn't know that. Did you know most of the smarts in your Android phone actually reside here, in the server farms? Google can run your Android phone and your Chrome laptop services and give it all to you for free because they are very very good at what they do -- information and data transmission. Flipside time, is your general personal information collected and sold by ALL the search providers?- Yes it is. (no prevaricating, they all do it) Yahoo, Bing, Google, they all collect your general personal information and sell it many times a year for about $2.65 per info sale on average. How much money do they make off those adds you see everywhere? $3 per 1000 clicks is an averaged number that gets used a lot figuring how much an ad brings in. Some do better, some do worse. Please remember, the Internet isn't really free, it is a HUGE commercial enterprise that spends billions every day just to run -- it just makes billions more each day in profit because it IS running. So much of our economy is now web based it the internet went down for a month it would be purely catastrophic. Talk about your market crash, woooo baby. So, what do you now know (bluntly speaking) and now better understand about what is happening with your "private information"? The only thing that isn't peddled freely is your social security number, passwords and the answers to your security questions. And your Bank tends to be very security conscious and very downright secretive too. As is your charge card company. Much of what you consider private information is listed in phone book white pages, yellow pages and such -- and that is all considered public information. |
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