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Message started by Greg on 08/07/12 at 18:31:49

Title: Oil filter change
Post by Greg on 08/07/12 at 18:31:49

Does everyone change the oil filter when they change oil? Or if the oil gets changed every 2 or 3 months can the filter wait?

Title: Re: Oil filter change
Post by rl153 on 08/07/12 at 18:41:53

I changed my oil today ,and the oil only had about 800 miles on it ,but the filter was black . I was wondering the same thing a couple of weeks ago ,but now I think it is wise to change the filter.

Title: Re: Oil filter change
Post by rfw2003 on 08/07/12 at 18:46:58

myself I change the filter every time,  I mean it's only a $4 item come on how hard ya gonna pinch those pennies?

R.F.

Title: Re: Oil filter change
Post by Greg on 08/07/12 at 18:49:06

Thanks folks. It's not a penny pinching thing. I just don't like to be wasteful.

Title: Re: Oil filter change
Post by Serowbot on 08/07/12 at 19:02:31

Don't tell OF, or Routy,... but I alternate, every other oil change, with my bike and Gerry H's...
:-X...

Title: Re: Oil filter change
Post by Dale72 on 08/10/12 at 20:46:23

Recently changed my oil as well. I was wondering on the opposite end of the spectrum it isnt detrimental to change the oil and filter that often is it  :-??

Title: Re: Oil filter change
Post by SaVaGeEaRL on 08/10/12 at 21:32:07


656469676E786A7D6A6C6E0B0 wrote:
Recently changed my oil as well. I was wondering on the opposite end of the spectrum it isnt detrimental to change the oil and filter that often is it  :-??



Nope

Title: Re: Oil filter change
Post by Oldfeller on 08/10/12 at 21:55:59

 
Me?  Moi?

I'm the one who caught grief for testing my oil filter pleats by gas backflush then with brake parts cleaner sprayed from the inside so I could collect all the dribbles and test that semi liquid trash to see what the filter had caught (not much actually) while my supermagnet was busy getting all fuzzy and ugly bigtime.

When I was ready to put it back together, the oil filter was all dry and clean, so I reused it.

I caught shite fer being cheap, so you don't have to worry about that == cheap is good !!!


Title: Re: Oil filter change
Post by Routy on 08/11/12 at 07:18:09


1204130E16030E15610 wrote:
Don't tell OF, or Routy,... but I alternate, every other oil change, with my bike and Gerry H's...
:-X...


Me, ?? I change stuff when it needs it !
I changed oil the first time, never looked at the filter......
When I changed the 2nd time, I looked at it, but I couldn't see where it was dirty. I think I washed it a little (guilt reasoning only)

The 3rd time I changed I never looked at it.  Mite be time to look at it next oil change. And if its dirty,.......??? Decisions decisions !

Title: Re: Oil filter change
Post by Serowbot on 08/11/12 at 10:22:50

Gee,... I thought I was being naughty, not changing mine every time...

For me,.. it's not so much about the cost,.. it's some about laziness,..
...but also,.. those three cover screws... Steel screws biting into soft aluminum... I figure, they only got so many times to tighten down, before trouble starts...
...every 6k is enough... :-?...

Title: Re: Oil filter change
Post by tizzyfit on 08/15/12 at 07:36:22


717473787F75160 wrote:
Does everyone change the oil filter when they change oil? Or if the oil gets changed every 2 or 3 months can the filter wait?


Do you put on clean undies after each shower or just turn the dirty one's inside out?  For an additional 5 minutes and $4 in parts, for me, it's the prudent thing to do.  

Title: Re: Oil filter change
Post by Greg on 08/15/12 at 09:20:47


6B7665656679766B1F0 wrote:
[quote author=717473787F75160 link=1344389510/0#0 date=1344389509]Does everyone change the oil filter when they change oil? Or if the oil gets changed every 2 or 3 months can the filter wait?


Do you put on clean undies after each shower or just turn the dirty one's inside out?  For an additional 5 minutes and $4 in parts, for me, it's the prudent thing to do.  [/quote]
Shower?  :o

Title: Re: Oil filter change
Post by bill67 on 08/15/12 at 09:52:17

I've never changed oil on anything without changing the filter.

Title: Re: Oil filter change
Post by Charon on 08/15/12 at 10:09:12


3D36333369685F0 wrote:
I've never changed oil on anything without changing the filter.


Let's see - neither my 1970 Renault R4 nor my 1981 Honda Twinstar had oil filters. My lawn mower and my generators do not have oil filters. My current 2007 Honda Elite 80 does not have an oil filter. So, I guess I have to confess to changing oil many times without changing filters.

Title: Re: Oil filter change
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/15/12 at 10:19:00

The 4 wheeler has no oil filter, just a metal screen.
I cant imagine an oil filter actually being "used up" at one oil change.

Title: Re: Oil filter change
Post by Oldfeller on 08/15/12 at 10:22:56

I've been running the oil for a year at a lick and checking the pleats every time I change the filter (and clean al the goop off the smagnet) for 4 years now.   I do this every 2nd or 3rd oil change (yeah, I am getting slacker'n shite about the filter -- I know).

The VAST MAJORITY of the trash caught is ferrous, and it is very very fine and it is all being caught by the magnetic force fields.  My plug magnet will give up some slivers or edges of a gear dog sometimes (rarely), the big magnet always gives up lots of mush that has no texture to it.

I keep posting what the filter itself catches, and that is only a very few bits of what looks like gasket sealer film edges.   Since I clean the filter thoroughly to recover all the stuff it catches, I have been reusing the same filter after the brake parts cleaner dries (my official excuse being it is being controlled as a stable element in the years long ongoing experiment).

;)


Title: Re: Oil filter change
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/15/12 at 10:24:21

How are you cleaning the filter?

Title: Re: Oil filter change
Post by Oldfeller on 08/15/12 at 10:47:29


Take my wife's big clear glass potato salad mixing bowl, put the filter hole up in the bottom on a piece of aluminium block stock, then pour a gush flow of gasoline into the hole letting it goosh out through the filter.

Then I take a straw equipped bottle of Brake Parts Cleaner and blow the filter pleats out from the inside of the hole, then I run down the creases in the outer pleats at a strong angle pointing down to knock loose any crease held bits & pieces.   The glass bowl now has all the gas and all the BPC and whatever they carried out of the filter.

I remove the block of aluminium and leave the glass bowl outside for over a day to let it settle good and to evaporate most of the gas/BPC.   Then I carefully pour off the bulk of the separated (mostly clear) liquid solvents, preserving any sediments in the big glass bowl.  

I then take a small glass ice cream bowl and flush the sediments from the big glass bowl into the small glass bowl using BPC.  This gives me a very small concentrated sample of solvent with everything that backflushed out of the filter contained within it.

I then take a magnet and see what part of the 4-5 tablespoons of liquified goop is ferrous.  Most of it is.  I let the little bowl evap to nothing, then I finger through the remainder for anything I can feel.  Tiny sliver edges of gasket sealer is most of what is left.

So, the moral of the story is -- drain plug magnet catches any slivers or chunks that exist from clashing the gear dogs.  Main magnet catches the vast bulk of all finer ferrous wear dust.  Filter pleats catch mostly ferrous wear dust and a very few bits of gasket/gasket sealer.

I feel that a supermagnet augmented filter system gets all the non silica dust crap out of your oil ongoing, with the bulk of the stuff sticking to the big magnet.  The filter paper pleats stops bits & pieces of gasket/gasket sealer.   NOTHING STOPS THE FINE SILCA PARTICLES (dust) SO YOU HAVE TO CHANGE YOUR OIL TO GET THE SILICA BUILD UP OUT OF THE ENGINE.

The oil filter is dry and clean by then, so back in she goes .....


Title: Re: Oil filter change
Post by Greg on 08/15/12 at 10:56:21

The she makes potato salad and ice cream for dinner...

Title: Re: Oil filter change
Post by Oldfeller on 08/15/12 at 11:28:45

 
Yeah, and I catch bloody hell if I don't clean it all up good and put it away before she notices I've used it, too.

A wipe with my dirty shop towel jest doesn't cut it.

She's caught me before using a sniff test -- BPC has an odour to it.

Nowadays, I get it as clean as I can, then I nestle the two bowls and put them in the wash side of the sink and fill them up with hot soapy water for her to find.

The hot soapy water disguises the BPC smell and once's she's washed them and put them up I am golden from that point on ....  she can't blame me for her lousy wash job.


;)   ..... and if you think this drill fools anybody, you ain't ever been married.  She bloody well KNOWS why the bowls are sitting there full of hot soapy water for her to wash one more time yet again.  

It's not like she didn't see her glass bowl out on the driveway evaporating for the last day or so ....

Title: Re: Oil filter change
Post by verslagen1 on 08/15/12 at 11:51:47

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