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Freedom of SPEECH
10/02/26 at 08:12:38

Sure is good that the USA,
is STILL
A FREEDOM OF SPEECH NATION.

After all, in THIS NATION,
some people can just LIE all the time.
And they are STILL FREE.

Lie about what is happening.
Lie about Illegal people who want to steal and KILL people in the US.
Lie about who and how many people believe the Lies.
Lie about what a POTUS says.
Lie about Freedom Of Speech being suppressed.
Lie about a group that say, "You Must Do This Or ..."
And on and on and on. ... ... ...

"... People Are Being Thrown In U.K. Prisons Over What They’ve Said Online.
There’s something rotten in the state of once-great Britain. It is decaying morally, culturally, politically and economically. There’s no better example of this debilitating decline than the U.K.’s plunge into the kind of speech censorship usually associated with tinpot Third World dictatorships. ..."

"...UK free speech crackdown sees up to 30 people a day arrested for petty offenses such as retweets and cartoons. Spofforth was inspired to keep speaking out, and even started a podcast, after being arrested for asking “If this is true” of another user’s content on X. she spent 36 hours in a British jail over a social media post ..."

"... UK Arrested Over 9,000 Citizens for Online Free Speech in 2024: Report. A new report based on U.K. police data indicates that thousands of Brits were put in handcuffs last year just for exercising their free speech online. at least 9,700 British citizens were arrested for social media posts deemed “offensive.” ..."

"... UK police arrest 60,000 people for ‘speech crimes’ in just five years. A report titled Britain’s Free Speech Problem, published this week by civil liberties campaign group Big Brother Watch, identified 62,199 arrests during the five-year period, resulting in 18,520 charges and 12,292 convictions.

"... The figures were compiled using Freedom of Information requests, but only 38 of the UK’s 45 territorial police forces responded with full data, and Big Brother Watch said if national averages were used the total number of arrests was estimated to be 73,023, with 21,339 charges and 13,779 convictions. ..."

"...The most shocking part about the U.K.’s assault on free speech is that even non-British citizens have been targeted. Irish comedy writer Graham Linehan, who now lives in the U.S., was arrested at London’s Heathrow Airport in September for posts that he had written in America criticizing transgender activists. ..."

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thumperclone Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline PGR rider riding with respect Posts: 7508 Grand Junction Colorado Gender:	Re: Freedom of SPEECH Reply #1 - 10/02/26 at 08:43:08 LIIIVI ILVII
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Re: Freedom of SPEECH
Reply #2 - 10/02/26 at 09:28:31

Sure is good that the USA,
is STILL
A FREEDOM OF SPEECH NATION.

After all, in THIS NATION,
some people can just LIE all the time.
And they are STILL FREE.

In your OPINION.

Lie about what is happening.
Lie about Illegal people who want to steal and KILL people in the US.
Lie about who and how many people believe the Lies.
Lie about what a POTUS says.
Lie about Freedom Of Speech being suppressed.
Lie about a group that say, "You Must Do This Or ..."
And on and on and on. ... ... ...

In your OPINION.

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Re: Freedom of SPEECH
Reply #3 - Yesterday at 08:05:29

Eegore wrote on 10/02/26 at 09:28:31:

In your OPINION.

Which Part of the things below,
do you think is opinion, and not Observed Reality ?

(Oh Yea, forgot, "Observed Reality' is not really, real)

Lie about what is happening.
Lie about Illegal people who want to steal and KILL people in the US.
Lie about who and how many people believe the Lies.
Lie about what a POTUS says.
Lie about Freedom Of Speech being suppressed.
Lie about a group that say, "You Must Do This Or ..."

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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
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thumperclone Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline PGR rider riding with respect Posts: 7508 Grand Junction Colorado Gender:	Re: Freedom of SPEECH Reply #4 - Yesterday at 08:27:00 your POTUS doesn't lie
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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 29931 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: Freedom of SPEECH Reply #5 - Yesterday at 09:56:17 They're eating the dogs
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Reply #6 - Yesterday at 11:12:16

(Oh Yea, forgot, "Observed Reality' is not really, real)

In your OPINION.

Nobody but You have said or implied that. This is an opinion.

Observed Reality includes opinions in my opinion. Observed reality can be opinions, as long as they are Observed to be so, this is an opinion. In my opinion nothing about an opinion removes Observed Reality as being the method used to create or Observe an opinion. It is my opinion that you are attempting to claim Observed Reality is exclusive of opinions. This is an opinion. The previous sentence indicates an opinion.

Lie about what is happening. In your OPINION.
Lie about Illegal people who want to steal and KILL people in the US. In your OPINION
Lie about who and how many people believe the Lies. In your OPINION
Lie about what a POTUS says. In your OPINION
Lie about Freedom Of Speech being suppressed. In your OPINION
Lie about a group that say, "You Must Do This Or ..." In your OPINION

Above I have provided the exact same amount of references and discussion that you have provided for every single time you stated I have an opinion.

This is an opinion.

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Re: Freedom of SPEECH
Reply #7 - Yesterday at 12:17:52

Eegore wrote on Yesterday at 11:12:16:

"... It is my opinion that you are attempting to claim Observed Reality is exclusive of opinions. ..."

Observed Reality,
is NOT, a Opinion.
it is REALITY.

A Orange on a tree,
still on the tree.
And Someone Observed it, and says,
"...that Orange will fall soon ..."
Is a Opinion.

A Orange on a tree,
Just fell off the tree.
And it was "Observed" that it fell.
That, person,
Observed Reality.

Is not a, 'Opinion'.

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Needles Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 2398 AR Gender:	Re: Freedom of SPEECH Reply #8 - Yesterday at 13:43:58 Keeping major news services out of press gatherings is definitely NOT freedom of speech. Trumpedo is not above the law. No one is.
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Reply #9 - Yesterday at 15:02:26

Observed Reality,
is NOT, a Opinion.
it is REALITY.

In your OPINION.

If I type that my opinion is that I am wearing a red shirt, and You with no way to see my shirt, Observe that opinion, then Your Observed Reality is of my opinion.

In your Observed Reality I could not have a red shirt, but in mine Observed Reality it is actual REALITY that I am in a red shirt. Both are really real in my opinion.

Opinions can exist in Observed Reality in my opinion. My opinion is that nothing about Observed Reality excludes the existence of opinions. This is an opinion.

A Orange on a tree,
still on the tree.
And Someone Observed it, and says,
"...that Orange will fall soon ..."
Is a Opinion.

A Orange on a tree,
Just fell off the tree.
And it was "Observed" that it fell.
That, person,
Observed Reality.

This is another example, in my opinion, of refusing to Observe that I never once claimed Observed Reality is not really real, and trying to use individual events as justification for continually claiming something was said or implied. Even though nobody ever Observed such a statement from me.

Again. Observed Reality is a poor qualifier for data.

Person A says "Oranges are growing on trees more than they ever they used to."

Someone else says this is inaccurate according to the sales revenue of oranges, shipping data, consumer reports, then presents data:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/193297/us-total-orange-production-since-2...
https://www.fas.usda.gov/data/production/0571120
https://www.fb.org/intel/markets/u-s-citrus-production-an-uphill-battle-to-su...
https://www.freshplaza.com/north-america/article/9802780/u-s-citrus-outlook-s...
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/orange-production-by-state

It is a poor qualifier to say that data is incorrect if Person A says "None of that matches my Observed Reality, so it is inaccurate data. I see way more oranges on the trees than ever before." (this is very specifically the response type that started this conversation)

In their Observed Reality there are more oranges. In actual REALITY there are not more oranges. Data can not be qualified by personal Observed Reality in my opinion. All Person A has to do is refuse to Observe data that does not match their Observed Reality, and in their Reality there are more oranges than ever before.

It is all really real. It is all really real. It is all really real.

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Re: Freedom of SPEECH
Reply #10 - Yesterday at 18:29:08

Eegore wrote on Yesterday at 15:02:26:

Again. Observed Reality is a poor qualifier for data.
"... Data can not be qualified by personal Observed Reality in my opinion. ..."

Someone, observes, the Mississippi River north of Mpls, and says the water is rising.
Someone, using Data, says , (at the same time), the Mississippi River South of Mpls, and says the water is the same.
Who is correct ?

(Answer BOTH)
Because the water will rise above, before it will rise down.

Same if talking about the Red River, which flows NORTH.
(Just the opposite)

It is the same, as, Seeing a Piece of straw, (Observed Reality), which is Hollow, which has penetrated a 2+inch barn door, because of a Tornado striking that barn.
Where, 'data', says that can not happen.

"OBSERVED REALITY". Can be the same as 'DATA'.
It can be, BETTER than Data.
It and be less than Data,
WHEN it is used as a LIE, about what is OBSERVED.

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Reply #11 - Yesterday at 21:06:12

The rising of a river is a single event. Yet again... this is another example, in my opinion, of refusing to Observe that I never once claimed Observed Reality is not really real, and trying to use individual events as justification for continually claiming something was said or implied. Even though nobody ever Observed such a statement from me.

It is the same, as, Seeing a Piece of straw, (Observed Reality), which is Hollow, which has penetrated a 2+inch barn door, because of a Tornado striking that barn.
Where, 'data', says that can not happen.

In your OPINION.

This is wrong on two levels. "Data" would be the collection of unprocessed facts. So "data" would not say a piece of straw can not penetrate a 2" barn door in my opinion. "Data" would be more like the percentage of barn doors penetrated by 2" pieces of straw over a specific time over a specific area in my opinion.

Second, physics clearly addresses high-velocity impact physics and fluid dynamics which says it can happen in my opinion.

If "data" was presented that shows the physics of straw penetrating 2" barn doors and includes cases of straw penetrating 2" barn doors, it would be a poor qualifier of that data to say it is wrong because I never Observed straw in 2" barn doors, in my opinion.

The problem is this type of response: The "data" showing fluid dynamics and straw penetration of 2" barn doors is wrong/lies because I never saw such a thing."

"OBSERVED REALITY". Can be the same as 'DATA'.

My opinion is this is true because "data" is the recorded, structured information of Observed Reality. The problem is when one says "data" can't be accurate if it does not match their Observed Reality.

It can be, BETTER than Data.
It and be less than Data,
WHEN it is used as a LIE, about what is OBSERVED.

Data can be, BETTER than Observed Reality.
It and be less than Observed Reality,
WHEN it is used as a LIE, about what the "data" contains.
OR when the "data" is not Observed at all, and instead personal Observed Reality qualifies the "data" as "lies"

Again. The problem is qualifying data by using Observed Reality. All one has to do is not Observe something and all "data" related to it is now wrong. What you describe is using Observed Reality AND verification to qualify "data".

Observed Reality is real. It's really real. It's Really Real.

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