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New here and confused as hell
08/02/26 at 07:26:07
 
Hello everyone,
My first post. I purchased a non-running 2007 S40 about two months ago and I need some ideas from those who are more experienced. The bike sat about 2 years. It came with a Harley Dyna muffler. Luckily the prior owner drained the carburetor prior to letting it sit. I cleaned out the fuel, change the petcock to Raptor style, added a fuel filter, new battery, got it running, ran it with Seafoam added, cleaned out the fuel again with fresh fuel, and got new tires. It was backfiring like CRAZY at every lift off of the throttle. The carburetor had 52.5 and 140 jets. I removed the carb, sprayed it out since it looked very clean, and changed out to new 52.5 and 152.5 jets.

This is where it gets confusing.  Based on what I found online, I, took out the white spacer on the needle and replaced it with two washer shims at the same location. I also turned out the mixture screw to three full turns. It had a huge leak at the juncture of the Dyna muffler so I got a new Dyna muffler and an adapter and got things sealed up.

All of this helped about 30% in reduction of backfire. The exhaust is the only real modification although KN filter may be in the future. But the backfire at throttle liftoff is still happening. Just for kicks, I rode it with half choke on (which I didn't even know it had until recently) and it burbles but didn't backfire on liftoff. Stuff I have seen online are all over the place as to jetting but indicates that I should be close to the proper setup for what I have.

The biggest confusion for me is the shims.  Some places say sand it down half way, which is basically the same as replacing it with two metal washers (which is what I have done).  Other places say leave the white washer alone because of required spring tension and put one metal washer on the main of the needle below the white washer.  Which is it? I am so confused about where the metal washers actually go and what to do with the white washer!
What do I try next?  If the 2 metal washers replace the white one at the same location, I am inclined to take one of the metal washers out, which should cause the needle to rise higher and let in more fuel right?  And that should help with backfire.  Am I on the right track here?

I would appreciate your thoughtful insight. Thanks in advance.
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Reply #1 - 08/02/26 at 17:59:38
 
What is the elevation where you live and ride?

With a stock paper air filter and DYNA muffler - a #150 main is normally plenty of fuel.  

Did you clean your carb?  What is the condition of the TEV diaphragm....if it is old and stiff it may not be working (The TEV is a Transient Enrichment Valve, and it provide more fuel during high vacuum events (like when you close the throttle and create a high vacuum).

When you close your throttle abruptly you create a high vacuum and the slide has dropped and closed off most of the fuel flow - this creates a lean condition and the fuel/air mixture that cannot be ignited by the spark plug....but it can be ignited in the hot exhaust header.  This creates the noise you are experiencing.

You can minimize the noise by avoiding a completely closed throttle while slowing down.  Open up the throttle just enough that the noise stops, and don't completely close the throttle as you shift.....leave it open just enough to prevent the noise.  This is a big single with a carb, and it is not as refined as a fuel injected engine......you can adapt your riding style to work with the limitations of the old girl!

I firmly believe you should jet your carb for how it runs while "ON" the throttle - not for what happens when the throttle is closed.

The slide needle is what controls the mixture during very low throttle openings.  Three washers is the normal number to use.  If you feel a slight hesitation or uneven surge while at very light throttle openings up to about 1/4 throttle - then remove a washer and see if the smoothness improves.

An engine that is running too rich will run - but it will run much better with a proper fuel mixture.  A properly jetted engine will have a slight surge and lean feel while the engine is cold - then run nicely once the engine is warmed up.  If your engine takes a few minutes to start running smoothly - that is a good indication the bike is not jetted to rich.
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Reply #2 - Yesterday at 17:51:11
 
Thank you for your help.  I didn't look at the tev because the main diaphragm and the carb in general looked good.  No varnish or discoloration anywhere when I open the bowl and the top..  In fact the pilot jet was clear.  I understand about tuning for mid or full throttle but I live in the city and so light throttle and liftoff is the order here and backfire is intolerable.  I am at 350 above sea level.
If you can please clarify, where does the replacement metal washers go?  I just replace the stock white one with the metal washers right?  Or some where else?
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Reply #3 - Today at 04:24:47
 
A spring goes under the needle clip, and it pushes the needle upwards.

The white spacer goes on top of the needle and pushes down on the spring and establishes the height of the needle.

The white spacer thickness pushes the needle down far enough that the mixture is lean and good for pollution control....but not good for smooth running.

You can either cut down the white spacer height - or replace it with 3 washers.  This allows the needle to be a little higher in the slide - which provides a richer mixture.  The more washers the leaner the mixture and the fewer washers the richer the mixture.  Evey carb I have ever done was happy with a #150 main, #50 or #52.5 pilot and 3 washers.....with the exception of 1 carb that had a surge at light throttle and removing 1 washer cured that.  My riding elevation is 525-800' msl.

Check for an air leak at the carb inlet - sometimes the Oring can be bad or the plastic spigot can be cracked.  Take an unlit propane torch and while the engine is idling see if the idle speed changes when you run the unlit propane around the carb body and inlet spigot.

NOTE:  The washers need to be steel - the brass washers have too big of an OD and will not fit down into the slide.  It is often hard to find the steel washes at a hardware store - for some reason the people that stock the nuts/bolts supply the store with brass washers.  You can also buy specific washers for use on carb needles from folks that sell Mikuni carb parts.

Here is where you can get a TEV valve to replace your 19 year old one.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/306128009612?_skw=ls650+tev+valve&itmmeta=01KZ68HT06...
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Reply #4 - Today at 11:13:03
 
Big thumpers are famous for backfires (actually afterfires) and with practice you can learn to control them by not chopping the throttle
Once you get used to it, it can be kind'a fun
If the problem is performance, it sounds like you are clever enough to work that out, but this booger will afterfire if you ask it
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