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Reply #30 - Yesterday at 21:14:32
 
While I was messing around with the cam timing, it became painfully evident that my cam chain tensioner was a problem.  I have been using a system with a floating plunger (no rack & pawl) and a jack bolt that bucks up the whimpy rear chain guide.  I adjust the jack bolt periodically to maintain a maximum of .06” back-travel on the tensioner plunger.  That seemed reasonable to me.  After observing all this intake valve closing action, I can see that the floating plunger still allows the intake to close earlier than intended.  The plunger strokes back as the cam lobe goes past the nose.  The valve springs force the cam to overrun the chain drive.

See that polished area on the plunger.  That can only happen if the plunger is stroking in & out.  It’s been letting my intake valve close early.
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Reply #31 - Yesterday at 21:16:21
 
So, I’m goin back to the stock cam chain tensioner with the pawl & rack.  That contraption locks the plunger as it advances toward the chain.  From a valve control perspective, you can’t get much better.  Let’s give a shoutout to the Verslagy.  I still have the jack bolt so I can periodically adjust the system to bring the plunger back to this original setting (9.5mm).  What the heck, I inspect this thing almost every service anyway.
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Reply #32 - Yesterday at 21:17:56
 
Now it was time to address the ignition timing.  There isn’t a lot you can do with the stock LS ignition system.  The advance curve is fixed and it is controlled by the igniter unit.  There is no feature that automatically retards ignition timing under load.  The curve is fixed at 25°.  Your ignition pickup is set to trigger at 5° BTDC.  Up to 2000 rpm the system fires the spark plug at 5° BTDC.  As the speed increases, the igniter unit advances the timing gradually until the engine speed reaches 4000 rpm.  At that point, the timing will be fully advanced at 30° BTDC.

It’s easy to adjust the pickup about 2° to 3°.  Any more than that will require a bit more innovation.  I know FinnHammer found some sort of fancy aftermarket unit that is manufactured in Czechoslovakia (I think).  That’s way past my pay grade.  I just moved the pickup.  Every .05” of movement changes the timing 1°.

You start by elongating the mounting holes in the pickup.  I wrap the stator in a plastic bag to keep the metal filings from getting into the coils.  I also apply a layer of blue tape to all the surfaces on the pickup.  The pickup has a strong magnet inside, so metal filings have a tendency to accumulate on the pickup.  The tape makes it easier to clean up.  Then I mount one ear of the pickup on scrap wood and elongate the opposite ear with a small round file.  Reverse the mount ear and do the other side.
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Reply #33 - Yesterday at 21:18:43
 
The pickup has an airgap between the magnetic button on the pickup and the raised metal bar on the alternator rotor.  That airgap should be maintained, but it’s difficult to measure.  I made a special tool to allow me to maintain the factory air gap.  The tool fits into the bore of the stator core.  When I install the pickup, I make sure that the tip of the tool just touches the magnetic button when the pickup has been set in the location desired.
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Reply #34 - Yesterday at 21:19:23
 
I relocated the pickup .10” in the direction of rotation.  That will retard my ignition timing 2° across the board.  Hopefully that will be enough.  You can see from the photo that there’s not much leeway in this system.
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Reply #35 - Yesterday at 21:20:13
 
After reassembling the engine it was time to see what I had for cranking pressure.  I was shooting for 185-195 psi.  Lucky me, 190 psi.  Let’s hope that does the trick.
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Reply #36 - Yesterday at 21:26:59
 
The finished setup was as follows:

97mm Wiseco FT piston with CR set to 9.8:1 (.036” base gskt, .062” head gskt)

Stage III cylinder head, 55cc combustion chamber, 34mm int vlvs, SuperStreet springs

Web 402 cam retarded 5°

Ignition timing retarded 2°

Mac 1.79” header

LCGP modified muffler with 1.87” baffle

PWK 40 knockoff carb, 150MJ, .075” MAB, 35PJ, #8 slide, EGK needle 2nd groove

K&N 3”x5” cylindrical air filter with modified airbox

KrankVent crankcase ventilation

Modified lube oil system with high-speed pump drive and gear spray circuit

4-Speed transmission with late model primary drive

13-Plate clutch


She ain’t pretty but this ain’t a beauty pageant.  It’s clean and put together right.  It’s solid.
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Reply #37 - Yesterday at 21:34:35
 
It fired right up.  Start the clock with zero miles on the odometer.

The audible noise has been reduced dramatically.  Amazing what correct running clearance will do for the old rattle trap.  It runs well.  I’m still breaking it in, so I don’t have data on performance. I can’t discern any notable decrease in torque or acceleration.  The vibration is low, and the carburetion seems to be spot on.  I didn’t touch the carb, no adjustment whatsoever.  Zero oil leaks, weeps, or seeps. It has a little over 400 miles on it.  I will wait until I hit the 1K mark before I start beating it up.

I can tell you that my cylinder head temp has increased about 10° to 15°.  I figured that would happen since the retarded ignition timing increases EGT and my temperature sensor is situated just below the exhaust port.  I also know the lower compression ratio reduces thermal efficiency, so I’m using less heat from the combustion process to do work, and more heat must be rejected by the cooling system.

My fuel mileage has also decreased a fair amount.  Again, I expected that the reduced compression and retarded ignition timing would rob a few mpg.  I don’t think the cam plays much of a role in the fuel economy; it’s a tame cam.  I was averaging about 58 to 60 mpg before the changes, now I’m averaging about 52 to 54 mpg.  A small price to pay for reliability.

I’m not planning on tearing this thing apart unless something goes wrong.  I’m getting too old for these projects.  At this point, I just wanna ride it.  So, going forward, I plan to monitor the results by doing endoscope inspections of the piston, keeping track of compression, and monitoring oil accumulation in the catch can.  If the top of the piston doesn’t start to accumulate some carbon on the intake side, I will be concerned. I think the carbon accumulation indicates detonation-free operation.  If it detonates a little, but the compression remains steady and I don’t see a lot of oil accumulation in the catch can, then I figure it’s ok.  I would prefer to see all three conditions; carbon accumulation, steady compression, minimal blowby.

I will update this report after the first service.  
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