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Reply #75 - 01/31/26 at 13:17:34
 
Eegore wrote on 01/31/26 at 11:45:57:
Seems as likely as Trump selecting Minneapolis because he hates Watz.

 I agree.  This is an opinion.

 Axeman88 brings up accurate statistics and a pertinent question.  I think (think implies opinion) that Webstarmark's response is accurate as well.  ICE in MN is personal, and not a statistically sound use of resources  

 Colorado is experiencing a similar impact based on the mail-in voting that has been used for decades, and the Tina Peters incarceration where the State is defying Trump's calls to release her.  Now all the sudden Colorado is full of fraud, illegal immigrants, bad elections, drug dealers, etc.  Trump will gladly cripple the economy of CO harming millions because one person is in jail for a crime she admits to.  I would not be surprised if ICE hits Denver like it did Minneapolis.  



Let’s say 50% of the reason is because Trump hates Watz and the other half is because Minneapolis is an unapologetic sanctuary city and Trump believes by targeting these cities,it might give other cities reason to pause their proclamation of sanctuary.  Assuming that’s true, does it make a little more sense to target Minneapolis?

Maybe, but not much. My three original reasons stand. Trump hates Watz and let’s not forget about that idiot mayor.. Minneapolis allowed part of the city to burn, which just irritated a whole bunch of people in the Trump administration and it loudly and proudly proclaims itself a sanctuary city.
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Reply #76 - 01/31/26 at 13:25:12
 
Look at the ICEholes' track record and tell me the US doesn't NEED sanctuary cities. There are more terrorists in ICE than among ALL the undocumented foreigners. It's considered a qualification, as far as I can tell.




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Reply #77 - 01/31/26 at 13:33:52
 
WebsterMark wrote on 01/31/26 at 11:03:31:
I don’t think the recent Somalian fraud had been exposed yet, but I could be wrong about that.

Let's talk about this, as it pertains to ICE's mission.

Nick Shirley posted his Youtube video on December 26, 2025.

ICE operations commenced in Minneapolis on January 6 and had their 2000 to 2400 agents active by mid January.

In his viral video, Shirley had alleged fraud at various day care centers, based on things like observing there were no cars in the parking lot 3 hours before the facility opened, and also published the $ numbers of the financial aid that various day cares received  from public sources.

Nick Shirley is a Youtube content creator, from Utah, who started out with prank and stunt videos, like disrupting celebrity weddings, then spent some time as a Mormon missionary, and most recently has focused on producing right wing biased Youtube content.  He has a high school degree from Farmington High School in Utah and no journalistic qualifications.

When investigated by local TV stations and other entities, no signs of fraud were found.

I think that the targeted facilities were owned by Somalian immigrants, but nobody has proven, or perhaps even alleged, that any of these people were ILLEGAL immigrants.

Certainly fraud is a bad thing, and a drag on society, and should be eliminated, but how is it any concern of ICE or Border Patrol to enforce laws concerning fraud?  What does ICE or CBP have to do with this alleged fraud, even if it were proven to be factual, which it has not?

Shouldn't these agencies be first demonstrating involvement of illegal aliens, then arresting those individuals for violation of the immigration laws they have jurisdiction over, and leave the fraud investigation and enforcement to those agencies that have valid jurisdiction over those areas?

In a world run by rational adults, allegations would turn into investigations, investigations would become charges, charges would become convictions.  Now, we apparently don't need any of that, we can go straight from a high school kid making a Youtube video, to secret police being rushed into an area.
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Reply #78 - 01/31/26 at 13:53:09
 
Shouldn't these agencies be first demonstrating involvement of illegal aliens, then arresting those individuals for violation of the immigration laws they have jurisdiction over, and leave the fraud investigation and enforcement to those agencies that have valid jurisdiction over those areas?

 It should be that way in my opinion.  This is an opinion.


In a world run by rational adults, allegations would turn into investigations, investigations would become charges, charges would become convictions.  Now, we apparently don't need any of that, we can go straight from a high school kid making a Youtube video, to secret police being rushed into an area.



 Agreed.   What I found most interesting is how few people looked at the general act in the video and not the specific politics they choose to apply to it.  Two men show up at a daycare and say "We just want to see the kids"  That's what happened.  

 I can't imagine a daycare anywhere would let random men show up and film kids.  Even a completely legal operation with nothing to hide is going to let that happen.  This is an opinion.
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Reply #79 - 02/01/26 at 05:07:52
 
So Nick Shirley has no journalistic qualifications like the ones who kept  the Russiagate hoax alive, refused to acknowledge what everyone knew which was that was Hunter’s laptop, and my personal favorite which is presenting the more extreme possibilities of global warming as if they’re inevitable (and those are just a few) You mean like those people? Those professionals whom I’m sure were able to set aside their personal biases this one time…

It’s far more likely his story is closer to the truth. Let’s just wait this one out and see.
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Reply #80 - 02/01/26 at 06:44:32
 
Y'all still haven't explained how "billions" were stolen right under DOGE's audit noses without being discovered.



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Reply #81 - 02/01/26 at 07:01:55
 
Needles wrote on 02/01/26 at 06:44:32:
"Y'all still haven't explained  ..."


And you have 'STILL"
       NOT Explained
Numerous questions asked of you.

  (Just cry Wolf !)


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Reply #82 - 02/01/26 at 07:07:23
 
Needles wrote on 02/01/26 at 06:44:32:
Y'all still haven't explained how "billions" were stolen right under DOGE's audit noses without being discovered.

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So billions were stolen? Let’s agree to that as a starting point.
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Reply #83 - 02/01/26 at 07:13:03
 
"...   I can't imagine a daycare anywhere would let random men show up and film kids.  ..."

Don't think that would happen anywhere.

Yet the FACT, their were no foot prints, no cars coming and going, no teachers/care people seen, no sighting of kids, for YEARS !

     (Oh yea, Just cry WOLF)


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Reply #84 - 02/01/26 at 07:19:49
 
Needles wrote on 02/01/26 at 06:44:32:
"Y'all still haven't explained how "billions" were stolen right under DOGE's audit noses without being discovered. "


Simple,
The TOP people, ALLOWED it to happen,
because they benefited from it !
Starting WITH A Gov, Mayor, and AG.

 (This is a OPINION)


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Reply #85 - 02/01/26 at 08:10:02
 
WebsterMark wrote on 02/01/26 at 07:07:23:
Needles wrote on 02/01/26 at 06:44:32:
Y'all still haven't explained how "billions" were stolen right under DOGE's audit noses without being discovered.

Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool


So billions were stolen? Let’s agree to that as a starting point.


Absolutely NOT. DOGE is LIARS, working for a LIAR, who was friends with the most documented LIAR in history. Trumpedo's goal is the destruction of the US. If you don't see that, you're either stupid AF, or you're just as evil and as bad as the pedophiles you support. The whole MN fiasco is a test case to see if Trumpedo can still get away with anything he wants. It's illegal AF, against everything the Constitution DEMANDS of government, and will result in Trumpedo's people going to jail. HE won't--- he's going to die before his stint is up. It's already up; you fools just can't see it.




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Reply #86 - 02/01/26 at 09:10:47
 
WebsterMark wrote on 02/01/26 at 05:07:52:
So Nick Shirley has no journalistic qualifications like the ones who kept  the Russiagate hoax alive, refused to acknowledge what everyone knew which was that was Hunter’s laptop, and my personal favorite which is presenting the more extreme possibilities of global warming as if they’re inevitable (and those are just a few) You mean like those people? Those professionals whom I’m sure were able to set aside their personal biases this one time…

It’s far more likely his story is closer to the truth. Let’s just wait this
one out and see.


All of these points could very easily be individually argued, but there's no point.  None of them has anything to do with ICE and CBP's mission, nor anything to do with Minneapolis, nor Minnesota.

You present zero evidence, imply guilt by association, and instead of returning to any single point of the existing discussion, you drag in 4 new unrelated points, none of which is expanded on, nor proven, nor explained as to why they are relevant.  It's called "obfuscation" .

Let's return to your first point.   Nick Shirley's qualifications for investigative journalism are a matter of record.  You chose not to challenge my summary of his qualifications but create equivalency of a Nick Shirley Youtube video to "Russiagate".

Russiagate came from an official investigation created by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and pursued by former FBI director  Robert Mueller.   The results of his report was first reported by US Attourney General William Barr
https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/speech/attorney-general-william-p-barr-d...

Thousands of news organizations, all around the world, then reported excerpts of findings of the Mueller report.

This seems about as far from a Youtube video by Nick Shirley, as anything could possibly be.  There is still an official page listing the names of Russians wanted by the FBI for activities related to the 2016 US election interference.  https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/cyber/russian-interference-in-2016-u-s-elections

The fact that you publicly, mentally catagorize the two as "the same", should be the source of considerable embarrassment.

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Reply #87 - 02/01/26 at 09:57:47
 

Y'all still haven't explained how "billions" were stolen right under DOGE's audit noses without being discovered.

 You said they are incompetent.  They can't be incompetent and also competent.  This is an opinion.
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Reply #88 - 02/01/26 at 10:03:59
 
Yet the FACT, their were no foot prints, no cars coming and going, no teachers/care people seen, no sighting of kids, for YEARS !

    (Oh yea, Just cry WOLF)


 In your opinion.  

 My opinion is that this journalist did not do YEARS! of investigation or provide any of the information you state.  As such the information coming from the two men, and no other source, is of two men asking to see kids.

 Given that is specifically what I was talking about, then it still seems completely unreasonable, to me, to expect any daycare to cooperate with two men asking to film kids.  That is what their video is, two men trying to film kids.  

 Their amateur attempt to prove a point did pave the way for actual professionals to discover actual problems.  This is good.  My opinion is this is good.  I do not however consider those two guys to have actually provided valuable information themselves.  They did provide a complaint that resulted in a real investigation.  The actual investigation procedure is revealing valid data regarding fraud.

 This post is an opinion.
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Reply #89 - 02/01/26 at 10:13:16
 
Axman88 wrote on 02/01/26 at 09:10:47:
WebsterMark wrote on 02/01/26 at 05:07:52:
So Nick Shirley has no journalistic qualifications like the ones who kept  the Russiagate hoax alive, refused to acknowledge what everyone knew which was that was Hunter’s laptop, and my personal favorite which is presenting the more extreme possibilities of global warming as if they’re inevitable (and those are just a few) You mean like those people? Those professionals whom I’m sure were able to set aside their personal biases this one time…

It’s far more likely his story is closer to the truth. Let’s just wait this
one out and see.


All of these points could very easily be individually argued, but there's no point.  None of them has anything to do with ICE and CBP's mission, nor anything to do with Minneapolis, nor Minnesota.

You present zero evidence, imply guilt by association, and instead of returning to any single point of the existing discussion, you drag in 4 new unrelated points, none of which is expanded on, nor proven, nor explained as to why they are relevant.  It's called "obfuscation" .

Let's return to your first point.   Nick Shirley's qualifications for investigative journalism are a matter of record.  You chose not to challenge my summary of his qualifications but create equivalency of a Nick Shirley Youtube video to "Russiagate".

Russiagate came from an official investigation created by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and pursued by former FBI director  Robert Mueller.   The results of his report was first reported by US Attourney General William Barr
https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/speech/attorney-general-william-p-barr-d...

Thousands of news organizations, all around the world, then reported excerpts of findings of the Mueller report.

This seems about as far from a Youtube video by Nick Shirley, as anything could possibly be.  There is still an official page listing the names of Russians wanted by the FBI for activities related to the 2016 US election interference.  https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/cyber/russian-interference-in-2016-u-s-elections

The fact that you publicly, mentally catagorize the two as "the same", should be the source of considerable embarrassment.

Here's a guide to creating strong logical arguments:  https://thoughtfullearning.com/inquireHSbook/pg102

Good Luck!


You dismissed his efforts by denigrating his history including his Mormon background and you want to accept your condescending review of the points  I made.

Let’s return to this in a few months and judge who’s investigations are more accurate, his or the above reproach professional journalists. That’s assuming these professionals take up the challenge.

And citing “official” investigations having originated in a partisan DOJ isn’t exactly making the point you think it is.m
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