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Re: Birthright citizenship goes to SCOTUS review
Reply #45 - Yesterday at 09:55:05
 
Eegore wrote on Yesterday at 08:04:12:
 Lies in this thread alone:

It was originally CALLED "Limited Liability Corporation" - not true.  Especially in Wyoming as that has never been a legally accepted term according to Chief Deputy Attorney General Ryan Schelhaas.

What about in the event of a lawsuit? THEN, it's suddenly a corporation - not true.  Harvard Law School examined this concept this in detail.

Ranchers are always corporations - not true.  Doesn't even need an explanation to know this is false.

You ARE lying.

 As usual, just provide reference, that you demand of others, of the lies stated.


Why you feel the need to “ store up treasures in heaven” by this back and forth is beyond me. It does provide some entertainment I suppose but it feels a little bit like racing a one legged man.

But, on that topic, a funny story. One time my son and I went to Denver to watch a baseball game, we went out the night before, and let’s face it, we were over served. The next morning,  while we were still hurting, we wanted to see RedRocks, the outside concert site. It must be a very popular exercise place, because there were dozens and dozens of people working out, running up and down the stairs and on the rocks.

While we were standing there all fuzzy eyed and severe headaches, a woman on one leg hopped past us and hopped all the way down from the top to the bottom, and then turned around and hopped back. Talk about impressive. On my best day, in the best shape ever, high school football probably, I couldn’t have done that on two legs.
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Reply #46 - Yesterday at 14:17:00
 
What IS a corporation?
A corporation is a legal entity created by individuals or shareholders that operates as a single entity, allowing it to enter contracts, sue, and be sued. It provides limited liability protection to its owners and can exist indefinitely, governed by state law.

Legally, this pseudo person shields the owner(s) from personal liability in case of lawsuit, keeping the members' finances separate from the company; since the company is a pseudo person, it is responsible for its own decisions, transactions, and debts.

Functionally, so does an LLC. An LLC is much faster to be licensed, since it is formed under a set or rules rather than having its powers and rights spelled out, as in a full corporation.

An LLC, or Limited Liability Company, is a business structure that combines the liability protection of a corporation with the tax benefits of a partnership. It allows owners to protect their personal assets while enjoying flexible tax treatment options.

By filling out a Form 8832, an LLC is treated the SAME as a corporation by government, law enforcement, and the IRS, with ALL the protections afforded a corporation.

So, functionally, the same.





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Reply #47 - Yesterday at 17:07:48
 
By filling out a Form 8832, an LLC is treated the SAME as a corporation by government, law enforcement, and the IRS, with ALL the protections afforded a corporation.

So, functionally, the same.



 When a Rancher has an LLC they are not a Corporation especially in the State of Wyoming which has never legally recognized Limited Liability Corporation as a legal term.  No amount of describing the functions of similarity between the two make a definitive statement like "The Rancher is a Corporation" true.  That statement is false - Needles lied about that assuming he had a large commercial ranch.  This is shown by his recent statement acknowledging he had no idea how large his land was.

 Also that statement doesn't apply to the Rancher in question because LLC, Sole proprietorship, Corporation etc. didn't apply in any way to the EPA case.  The case material provided proves this.

 Filing Form 8832 changes an LLC's classification only for federal income tax purposes.  For all other legal and operational purposes, the entity remains a limited liability company governed by state law.  This is why WY had statement in the case, because the Rancher was not under Federal jurisdiction for the charges in the case.  This is why the EPA settled, using State regulations and to this day the Federal government agrees in regard to jurisdiction.  

 Needles lied.  The Rancher was never a "Corporation".  Claiming an LLC is functionally the same does not make the Rancher a Corporation, and it is a poor defense for the lie.  Nobody is going to say, "Oh I thought Needles meant "functionally" a Corporation but really an LLC.  

 This intent of the statement that the rancher is an actual "Corporation" and not "functionally the same" is proven by another lie that LLC "ORIGINALLY" stood for "Corporation" - there is no evidence of this, something Needles demands of others.  He made it up.

 Simple, all Needles needs to do to prove he did not lie is show the Rancher is a Corporation, not an LLC - a Corporation.  (this should be easy because he states "all ranchers are corporations")  And also that LLC "ORIGINALLY" stood for "Corporation" using the the same verification standards he expects of others.
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Reply #48 - Today at 05:15:53
 
From a stupid MAGAT POV, it is whatever y'all hallucinates it to be. From a larger perspective, "If it walks like a duck..."

It's the same disinformation Eyore, Sprung, etc. spew about Trump. Trump is a Nazi, plain and simple. MAGATs get all butt-hurt and say stupid sh1t like "Nazis are socialists--- it's in the name!" Names don't mean sh1t to MAGATs, so it's hypocritical to focus on such ridiculous sh1t, unless you're purposely being misleading.  Same as this, a disinformation campaign to excuse the dictatorial acts of the MAGAT minions. The rancher was treated like a corporation, because, functionally, that is what a LLC is. Try pointing out the functional differences between corporations and companies. You're lying.




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Reply #49 - Today at 06:42:46
 
Needles wrote on Dec 8th, 2025, 4:48pm:
"... grew up on a sharecropped cotton farm, owned by the bank--- ..."

    Again, no answer !!!!!


Did the Bank Own the Farm, totally. Then pay your parents, (and other people), a wage ?

Or did the bank, have a loan on the land ?

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Reply #50 - Today at 08:45:21
 
Same as this, a disinformation campaign to excuse the dictatorial acts of the MAGAT minions. The rancher was treated like a corporation, because, functionally, that is what a LLC is.

 No he wasn't.  The multitude of court documents provided prove otherwise.  His LLC had nothing to do with the case - you made all that up.  Another lie.

 Besides, Filing Form 8832 changes an LLC's classification only for federal income tax purposes.  For all other legal and operational purposes, the entity remains a limited liability company governed by state law according to the IRS, and the State of Wyoming.  Even if his LLC was for his private land use, an LLC ONLY applies for tax reasons in regard to Federal jurisdiction specific to the EPA.

 Also he never filed an 8832, so all of the defense using that as an argument doesn't even apply to the Rancher.  



Try pointing out the functional differences between corporations and companies. You're lying.

 I already did twice.  The Rancher was not a "Corporation" and his LLC was deemed not pertinient to the EPA case.   You keep making up more lies to try to defend your uneducated lie that he was a Corporation.  You already admitted you didn't even know the land information showing you assumed he was a large commercial rancher, and not a man that the media called a "Rancher" who really only has a normal land plot.  


 Lets review:

Needles claims the "Rancher" was a "Corporation" - not true, proven by years of court documents.

Needles claims: All he had to be to be illegal was to be in the same watershed - not true, proven in the court documents, agreed upon by the EPA.  He made that up.

Needles claims "Ranchers are always corporations" - not true, proven by simple common sense.

Needles claims "And YOU know d@mned well that the "C" stands for "Corporation" - not true.  Proven by historical records, including thousands of clerk corrections correcting "Corporation" to "Company".

Needles claims "originally CALLED "Limited Liability Corporation" - not true.  Proven by historical records and literally taught as such at Harvard Law School.

Needles claims What about in the event of a lawsuit? THEN, it's suddenly a corporation, to protect the personal finances of the owners." - not true.  As a physician that held a license as a "Corporation" he should know where State law applies.

Needles claims: "By filling out a Form 8832, an LLC is treated the SAME as a corporation by government, law enforcement, and the IRS, with ALL the protections afforded a corporation." - not true.  8832 only applies to income taxes and specifically states it does not impact "all other legal and operational purposes"

https://www.irs.gov/forms-pubs/about-form-8832



 His only defense, as usual, is to pull the name-calling "MAGAT!!!" card instead of offering the verifiable references he demands of others (where is his referenced proof that an 8832 applies the way he says?)  - an action he will not accept from anyone else.  

 This further proves my assessment, that while Needles may not initially lie about many things, he will often lie in reaction to things he disapproves of, and then continue to make up more things to defend the initial lie.  
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