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Reply #15 - 12/08/25 at 05:47:54
 
WebsterMark wrote on 12/08/25 at 05:19:30:
"...  was specifically written for the slaves after the Civil War ..."


So a Female, (Citizen of some other Nation), crosses a river, (a Boarder to the US), then gives birth in the US.  

That baby is automatically US Citizen, and the mother, in most cases, can stay with that 'baby' as a caretaker for 18 years.

So it would be perfectly OK for
Eva  Braun/Hitler, (if alive today)
birth a baby in the US,
and that child is now a Citizen of  the US.

      (according to,
 a, 'Full -Blown', Socialist !)
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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
Which is More TRUE, today, than yesterday.('06, S-40, Stock) well, mostly .
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Reply #16 - 12/08/25 at 10:29:52
 
That's how it's worked for a long time. That's what the first part of the 14th Amendment is about. And NO, the SC can't change that. Since it's an AMENDMENT, it's now part of the Constitution, just like the 2nd. All the SC can do is look at a subsequent law and decide if it follows the 14th or not. The SC CANNOT "decide" an Amendment is not Constitutional, since it IS the criteria they are compelled to use to evaluate other laws. (ANOTHER instance of a law that cannot be subjected to the whims of the Kangaroo Supreme Court, despite Eyore's LIES.)

Supreme Court (Rigged) Of The United States = SCROTUS



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Reply #17 - 12/08/25 at 12:40:35
 

(ANOTHER instance of a law that cannot be subjected to the whims of the Kangaroo Supreme Court, despite Eyore's LIES.)

 This coming from the guy that proclaims impeachment requires a separate "Federal Court" decision outside a Senate vote.  At least I provide references.
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Reply #18 - 12/08/25 at 13:59:40
 
Hey, just a fairness heads-up, I've reported you to the pseudo Bar Association. You should at least apply the same criteria for "libruls" as you do for MAGATs, and you NEVER biatch about MAGATs' lies...


That isn't a "reference", BTW; it's the actual Constitutional Amendment. Even a pseudo lawyer should know that.





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Reply #19 - 12/08/25 at 14:03:22
 
Hey, just a fairness heads-up, I've reported you to the pseudo Bar Association. You should at least apply the same criteria for "libruls" as you do for MAGATs, and you NEVER biatch about MAGATs' lies...

 And they complain I never address "libtard" lies.  

 If you lied less, I would address it less.
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Reply #20 - 12/08/25 at 14:26:14
 
If you restricted yourself to only criticizing LIES, I'd be ok with it. But, NO, you harp on what YOU think are lies I've told historically, instead of calling out MAGATs who are lying NOW. Look through your own posts. Ever since I admitted to having lied in the past, like any HONEST person does, you bring that up at least every 3rd or 4th post in a personal attack. So, my avatar lives in your head, and I'm thinking it trashes the place like Led Zeppelin trashed hotel rooms.





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Reply #21 - 12/08/25 at 14:37:57
 
If you restricted yourself to only criticizing LIES, I'd be ok with it. But, NO, you harp on what YOU think are lies I've told historically, instead of calling out MAGATs who are lying NOW.

 What lies should I address now?  Follow your own demands of others and provide references.  


Ever since I admitted to having lied in the past, like any HONEST person does, you bring that up at least every 3rd or 4th post in a personal attack.


 You didn't admit to lying in the past, you said you would lie to get your way.  When you say things like this you should expect people to bring that up when you claim you are not lying.

 Besides I already stated you generally do not bring up lies, you just over-react and state nonsensical garbage when people do not agree with you.  Rancher is a "Corporation" for example - you lied about that in what appears to be knee-jerk response.  Ample evidence (multiple court documents) has been provided proving your statement to be false, yet you continue, without any evidence (that you demand of others) to state your lie is factual.

 I don't know what other response you expect when you make something up, then keep insisting it is true.

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Reply #22 - 12/08/25 at 14:48:25
 
Ranchers are always corporations. So are farmers. Unless you're talking about subsistence ranchers/farmers--- then they're called "homesteaders". Igrew up on a sharecropped cotton farm, owned by the bank--- even that was really a corporation. Are you talking from a pseudo lawyer POV, or are you speaking about reality?





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Reply #23 - 12/08/25 at 15:03:01
 
Ranchers are always corporations. So are farmers. Unless you're talking about subsistence ranchers/farmers--- then they're called "homesteaders". Igrew up on a sharecropped cotton farm, owned by the bank--- even that was really a corporation. Are you talking from a pseudo lawyer POV, or are you speaking about reality?

 Again, more nonsensical garbage.  Follow your own standards you demand of others and provide reference.  Simply provide a reference "valid" by your own standards that "Ranchers" are "always" "corporations".  Your statement means every "rancher" is incorporated.  

 This is false.  A human can own a ranch, be called a "rancher" and not be incorporated as such.  Or maybe its a 6 Sigma thing again where we are supposed to use a completely unrelated algorithm to justify such a blatantly false claim.  

 This guy owned 9 acres, was never incorporated.  You think he was, so you lied and said he was, and are now presumably trying to avoid admitting you assumed he was an incorporated business.  Where's the honesty now?

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Reply #24 - 12/08/25 at 15:16:10
 
9 acres is not a ranch, unless he's maybe raising goats. And, if he only has 9 acres, why is there a holding pond? 9 acres would not be enough cattle for that. We had some 20 acres of pasture for the milk/meat cows, and we never had more than 10. We had no holding pond at all. That few number of cows doesn't justify it. Again, if the farm is a viable business, it has to have a business license, or it can't sell anything. Only a moron would even try. So, you're saying the "rancher" is a moron? Hey, maybe it's just a pseudo ranch for laundering money!




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Reply #25 - 12/08/25 at 15:20:29
 
Needles wrote on 12/08/25 at 10:29:52:
That's how it's worked for a long time. That's what the first part of the 14th Amendment is about. And NO, the SC can't change that. Since it's an AMENDMENT, it's now part of the Constitution, just like the 2nd. All the SC can do is look at a subsequent law and decide if it follows the 14th or not. The SC CANNOT "decide" an Amendment is not Constitutional, since it IS the criteria they are compelled to use to evaluate other laws. (ANOTHER instance of a law that cannot be subjected to the whims of the Kangaroo Supreme Court, despite Eyore's LIES.)

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They can change the practical application of it by clarifying what is the meaning of the phrase “under the jurisdiction thereof”. The original constitution, as you like to say, did not discuss anything along the lines of birthright citizenship, and the 14th amendment, when originally ratified at the time, did not either.
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Reply #26 - 12/08/25 at 15:41:51
 
9 acres is not a ranch, unless he's maybe raising goats. And, if he only has 9 acres, why is there a holding pond?

 That was the original argument.  His "stock pond" didn't actually meet any conditions the EPA initially fined him for.

 
Again, if the farm is a viable business, it has to have a business license, or it can't sell anything.

 He had a business license, an LLC is not a "Corporation".  My cousin has an LLC to sell custom earrings, she is not a "Corporation".  

https://www.google.com/search?q=Is+an+LLC+a+Corporation%3F&sca_esv=ec9d3b8357...


So, you're saying the "rancher" is a moron?

 No.  I am saying you lied about him being a "Corporation".  When it is clear from the multiple court documents he is not in any way.


 The difference here is when thumperclone lied and said he "destroyed wetlands" to make the stock pond - he just never responded to the empirical evidence showing that to be false and let it go.  

 You on the other hand just keep making up random sh!t to defend the random sh!t you manufactured in your head.  Like now "Ranchers" are "always corporations" which is very, very easily proven to be false.  One doesn't even need to be a lawyer to figure that out.  You complain I engage in "personal attacks" maybe consider how many times you double down on the nonsense you state out of reaction with none of the evidence you demand of others.

 Nobody cares about any of this - it's just how you react to things.
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Reply #27 - 12/08/25 at 15:46:19
 
Needles wrote on 12/08/25 at 14:48:25:
"... grew up on a sharecropped cotton farm, owned by the bank--- ..."


Did the Bank Own the Farm, totally. Then pay your parents, (and other people), a wage ?

Or did the bank, have a loan on the land ?

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Reply #28 - Yesterday at 06:22:13
 
Eegore wrote on 12/08/25 at 12:40:35:
(ANOTHER instance of a law that cannot be subjected to the whims of the Kangaroo Supreme Court, despite Eyore's LIES.)

 This coming from the guy that proclaims impeachment requires a separate "Federal Court" decision outside a Senate vote.  At least I provide references.





Which does NOT mean I'm wrong now, does it?





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Reply #29 - Yesterday at 06:28:35
 
MnSpring wrote on 12/08/25 at 15:46:19:
Needles wrote on 12/08/25 at 14:48:25:
"... grew up on a sharecropped cotton farm, owned by the bank--- ..."


Did the Bank Own the Farm, totally. Then pay your parents, (and other people), a wage ?

Or did the bank, have a loan on the land ?





Do you even know what "sharecropping" is? The bank OWNS the farm. In our case, it was a privately owned bank, so the banker owned it. The bank incorporates the farm, with the farmer as a "partner", which basically means the bank gets half the profits. Losses came out of the farmer's money. It is just another system rigged against the poor.




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