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Reply #15 - Today at 06:29:45
 
Assisting Insurrectionists, like paying them, transporting them, and directing them, IS treason, by definition. Trump is a traitor. You're not a lawyer, so your opinion is not worth any more than mine.



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Reply #16 - Today at 07:31:47
 
Assisting Insurrectionists, like paying them, transporting them, and directing them, IS treason, by definition.

 Incorrect.  The US Constitution disagrees with you, which is why you refuse to reference it, and call it "Fake MAGA" information.  SCOTUS ruled the legal distinction is that "enemies" of the United States are considered to be foreign nations or entities with whom the U.S. is in an open state of war.

 You just "want" it to be treason.
 
You're not a lawyer, so your opinion is not worth any more than mine.

 I use actual references from US law, the US Constitution, SCOTUS rulings, and experts in the field.  Your references are a social media post.
I'm not a lawyer, so I have to rely on professional experts who DO understand the law.  So, if a random Harvard Law prof and a random Stanford University law prof both say the law is correct, I have to assume it's correct.

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 Why not just offer some legal analysis that show Trump did indeed commit TREASON!, from accredited law firms - not social media, and that it is due to funding US insurrectionists?  You demand references from others, follow your own standard.
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Reply #17 - Today at 08:52:50
 
SCOTUS decisions change with the times. That's the excuse you're using, and that's what I'm betting on.




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Re: January 6 --- Trump's attack on the US Capital
Reply #18 - Today at 09:18:20
 
Eegore wrote on Today at 07:31:47:
 Incorrect.  The US Constitution disagrees with you, which is why you refuse to reference it, and call it "Fake MAGA" information.  SCOTUS ruled the legal distinction is that "enemies" of the United States are considered to be foreign nations or entities with whom the U.S. is in an open state of war.

 You just "want" it to be treason.

Are you saying that "treason" can only be committed by a foreign adversary?
That makes no sense at all
Treason can only be committed by a citizen of the country it is committed against
That's the definition of treason

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Reply #19 - Today at 10:44:45
 
Are you saying that "treason" can only be committed by a foreign adversary?
That makes no sense at all
Treason can only be committed by a citizen of the country it is committed against
That's the definition of treason


 No.  I am saying that one requirement according to Article III.S3.C1.4 is that a US citizen render "aid and comfort"  to "enemies".  It has been ruled, multiple times, that it cannot be indirect causal aid.

 "Enemies" is defined by the SCOTUS.  Enemies of the United States are considered to be foreign nations or entities with whom the U.S. is in an open state of war.

 The TREASON! argument posed in this thread is that Trump funded US Citizens.  This does not meet the US law criteria of "enemies" of the Nation.  It's a crime, but not TREASON!

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artIII-S3-C1-4/ALDE_00013527/
 
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Reply #20 - Today at 10:50:51
 

SCOTUS decisions change with the times. That's the excuse you're using, and that's what I'm betting on.


 When they change it, we can use it in law.  Saying decisions "change with the times" is an excuse until it actually happens.  Do you even ask yourself why you want TREASON! to be a valid charge so badly you will make such poor arguments?

 Just toss down some accredited legal arguments that funding US citizens for an insurrection is TREASON! and be done with it.  Use your own standards, that you demand of others, and provide references.
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