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Reply #600 - 07/16/26 at 23:48:49
 
MnSpring wrote on 07/16/26 at 13:29:57:
Needles wrote on 07/16/26 at 11:27:39:
"... To paraphrase the MAGATs, if you can legally own a gun, you have nothing to worry about...."



Tell us ALL
Who said that
 When they said that ?
And does it INCLUDE all the, (Gun Bans), that have been put in place, and the ones that were proposed but not put into action.

       Here Are Just a few:

10, 20, 30 day Wait to get a gun, AFTER you PAY FOR IT.  And if you are refused, you still PAY a Fee for trying.

Prove what you will be using the gun for.

Prove you have a 'need' for a gun.

Prove you have a mandatory safe place to store the gun.
   (From a 300.00 to 5000,00 Gun Safe)

Mandatory INSURANCE paid EACH YEAR.

You cannot store any gun in your home. All Firearms MUST be stored in a approved gun storage facality.

Can NOT let a person you are hunting with, use your gun, until the gun is transferred from you to your buddy, than back again, by a proved Gun Shop, which will charge 40-60 dollars EACH WAY. And that transfer may take 3 days to get approval.

In addition to the BATF rules, you must get a fingerprint. Which you pay for, and cannot easily get done in a timely manner.

You must not Own/Have/Use any, (Black Guns) which were used in Vietnam forward conflicts.   (EVEN THOUGH, in 1906 & 1908 it was a style of firearm used  but it wasn't (BLACK)

You must NOT own/posses a magazine over a certain amount of rounds.

A neighbor or someone you know,  who does not like you, your politics, or the color shirt you wear, can (RED LAW YOU) Any time, any place, and ANY reason.

You MUST transport a firearm in a LOCKED box, going from your home to a, APPROVED shooting range, in the trunk, or most rearward place in the car or truck.

You must NOT carry a gun on you, unless you have the special 'permit' to do so.  And that 'permit', is a whole new nest to navigate.

           If you are a gun shop.
Every closing, all the guns must go into a locked, approved Safe on the property.

All doors must be of a, 'man-trap', style.

Cannot use a credit-card. (Allowing credit card companies to monitor purchases at gun shops under the guise of safety ... pressure banks into denying services to lawful firearm retailers and customers)



YET, you can use a drug, all you want, even though the ATF form says you can't.
        (Well ONLY, if you are the son of a POTUS)





None of these "laws", are valid in the state where I live.
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Reply #601 - Yesterday at 05:51:13
 
10, 20, 30 day Wait to get a gun, AFTER you PAY FOR IT.  And if you are refused, you still PAY a Fee for trying.

 We should PAY for an investigation or those will become the burden of the taxpayer.  Humans not purchasing guns should not PAY for my gun purchase investigation.


A neighbor or someone you know,  who does not like you, your politics, or the color shirt you wear, can (RED LAW YOU) Any time, any place, and ANY reason.

 This isn't true.  There are specific reasons that must be alleged, not "ANY" reason.  For instance I can not call local law enforcement and say I don't like the color of your motorcycle so they have to take your guns away.


"If you are a gun shop.
Every closing, all the guns must go into a locked, approved Safe on the property."


 I recommend it.  A gun shop down the road from my house had a truck back into the storefront and they didn't steal the guns because they were all locked in safes.


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Reply #602 - Yesterday at 08:07:58
 
"... 10, 20, 30 day Wait to get a gun, AFTER you PAY FOR IT.  And if you are refused, you still PAY a Fee for trying..."

The point is the WAIT !
Does NOT take that long.
Any place that outrageous waiting period is imposed.
The sales person, if they have a scintilla of a brain,  will say:
'you will pay x amount if you pass, and pay x amount if you don't'.

"... neighbor or someone you know,  who does not like you, your politics, or the color shirt you wear, can (RED LAW YOU) ..."

    It IS TRUE
...  ANYBODY can, 'report you', on red law, by simply stating something that the the person/entity you are, 'reporting to', will accept.
Remember, THEY ARE LYING, Just because.  

You are focused on the words:
"...and ANY reason..."

Which that part is true.
The 'reason' needs to be correct, as needed for that entity.
It is the SAME as Using LIES, 'swatting', just because that person does not like you for some reason.

"... If you are a gun shop. Every closing, all the guns must go into a locked, approved Safe on the property ..."
 I recommend it.  ... didn't steal the guns because they were all locked in safes.

BIG difference,
between a Store Owner, doing things that Store owner feels appropriate for his/her, place and situation.

And a DEMAND that a certain thing MUST be done.
  (Regarding Gun sales)
That Is Imposed for the REASON, to LIMIT something.

Like: "...San Jose’s Ordinance No. 30716, gun owners residing in the city are required to “obtain and continuously maintain in full force and effect a homeowner’s, renter’s or gun liability insurance policy from an admitted insurer or insurer as defined by the California Insurance Code.” ..."

     Which has NOTHING TO DO WITH SAFETY !







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Reply #603 - Yesterday at 09:18:52
 
JRM wrote on 07/16/26 at 23:48:49:
None of these "laws", are valid in the state where I live.


Not Valid, and not enforced,
are two different things.

If none of those, 'laws', have been implicated by any jurisdiction.
    ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL !!!!!!

If some are their, but ignored.
Keep in mind, at ANY TIME,
they CAN be put onto play.


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Reply #604 - Yesterday at 09:29:37
 


If some are their, but ignored.
Keep in mind, at ANY TIME,
they CAN be put onto play.


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Reply #605 - Yesterday at 12:11:22
 

It IS TRUE
...  ANYBODY can, 'report you', on red law, by simply stating something that the the person/entity you are, 'reporting to', will accept.
Remember, THEY ARE LYING, Just because.  



 Yes, one can lie but they have to utilize an applicable allegation.  Stating you want to Red Law report someone because their dog sh!t on your lawn is not a valid reason and will not be enforced.  



Like: "...San Jose’s Ordinance No. 30716, gun owners residing in the city are required to “obtain and continuously maintain in full force and effect a homeowner’s, renter’s or gun liability insurance policy from an admitted insurer or insurer as defined by the California Insurance Code.” ..."

    Which has NOTHING TO DO WITH SAFETY !



 Agreed.  It's both a money grab and a poor attempt at firearm abuse mitigation.
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Reply #606 - Yesterday at 12:38:00
 
automobile liability insurance has nothing to do with safety

LIABILITY! same for guns
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Reply #607 - Yesterday at 14:40:28
 
"... report someone because their dog sh!t on your lawn is not a valid reason and will not be enforced..."

    Yep, it's Not valid.

Yet, "..he was pointing a GUN at me.." would be.

After the investigation, it is found, that the "GUN' was a broom he was cleaning the garage/car/sidewalk with !!!!

       And the GOAL was accomplished.


(How Dare he/she have a opinion that is not the same as mine !!!!!)


"...San Jose’s Ordinance No. 30716, ..."
"...   It's both a money grab and a poor attempt at firearm abuse mitigation ..."  


 YEP !!!
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Yet, "..he was pointing a GUN at me.." would be.

After the investigation, it is found, that the "GUN' was a broom he was cleaning the garage/car/sidewalk with !!!!

      And the GOAL was accomplished.


 None of this applies to Red Laws since it is already illegal to point a gun at someone without a viable reason like self preservation.  In States where no Red laws exist, if some one says "he was pointing a GUN at me" there would still be an investigation.  None of the Red Laws I can access require firearm removal for this type of accusation.

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Reply #609 - Today at 06:58:24
 
Eegore wrote on Yesterday at 18:36:24:
"... "he was pointing a GUN at me" ... None of the Red Laws I can access require firearm removal for this type of accusation. "


Good for you, apparently you have spent your time in a utopia of perfect people.

I on the other hand, have observed the reality of a wife, stating her life was in danger, by her husband, to the police, and the police took all the firearms out of the house. Which then she filed for divorce, and was awarded ALL the 'things' they had. Because the POLICE said her life was in danger.

How do I know this?  She came into my shop, and I BOUGHT ALL THOSE GUNS !

OH, OH  OH, I forgot, 'observed reality,' is not real.

     But hey, you keep doing you.

OH by the way,
How is your idea of rewriting,
the Second Amendment coming ?
Just because some words are seldom used today,
and some people do not know what some words meant yesterday.

Like "GAY' and "PLUNGER"


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