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Reply #90 - Yesterday at 13:54:55
 
Okay, so do we recognize that hatred, because it's inside us too, and it flares up when someone does something we really don't like, sometimes something as simple as someone not saying hello. A war is nothing more than unleashing that pent-up hatred. That's what the Palestinians did, that's what Israel does.

What then is a healthy way to deal with this?
Because if peace isn't something we desire, then we're stuck in this game of blaming each other, venting judgments, which is nothing more than waging war. What else can get us out of it than the desire for peace? You first have to acknowledge what's happening there. See it for what it is.
Because if you're not aware of that, if you don't see it with eyes free from opinion, then you're trapped in the same mechanism as the people in Israel and Gaza.

There will never be peace if people don't see that all this is happening out of pain, the deep traumas both sides have endured.

You can't solve this with ideology, politics, or economics.
You can only solve this by encountering that pain. And it starts with understanding the state of being we're in.

Because if you really understand and acknowledge that, you'll do everything you can to free yourself from it.
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Reply #91 - Yesterday at 14:08:57
 
Yes te same but on a huge scale and whit help frome the US.


 Yeah when you attack a US ally, the US will help that ally.  When you murder the children of US allies, the US typically does not watch and say send those people that murdered your kids food.  

 US citizens will.  The US Government typically does not.  

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Reply #92 - Yesterday at 14:14:23
 

Because if you really understand and acknowledge that, you'll do everything you can to free yourself from it.

 Except the religious doctrines require the other guy be dead.  Not understood, not addressed trauma, dead.  They have to be dead.
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Reply #93 - Yesterday at 15:11:14
 
You drunk?
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Reply #94 - Yesterday at 16:57:12
 

You drunk?

 You really don't understand radical Muslim doctrine up until 2017 that HAMAS utilizes requires the death of all Jews?  You don;t realize that while the official doctrine wording was changed, the actions, prayers and teachings did not?
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Reply #95 - Today at 02:09:26
 
Do you realize that, according to UNICEF, "more than 20,000 children were killed and more than 30,000 wounded in Gaza after the Hamas attack on October 7th?"

Do you think it can have harmful consequences that Jews believe that God has a special bond with the Jewish people?
Do you think that Israel and the US have achieved more peaceful attitudes toward Jews among Muslims

But let's leave aside who is perpetrator or culprits for a moment, because that's not the main point of my argument.

What is essentially wrong with Judaism or Islam and christianity that neither of the 3 faiths produces better people?

And more difficult;
Can you see that religion is not the solution to this problem, nor is it the cause?

Do you see that hatred isn't the problem, but that projecting that hatred is, and that no one realizes they're projecting.
Do you see the misunderstanding?

Do you see what a load of nonsense the redeeming Messiah is? And that we ourselves are responsible for cleaning up the mess and that no one will ever come and do it for us?

What has happened now is that Israel and the US have gone too far. It's an understandable mistake, but one that's reminiscent of World War II.
The problem is that Jews, Muslims, and even Christians in the US don't yet understand where the problem lies.

This cannot be solved by religion, this cannot be solved by capitalism or any political ideology. This cannot be solved by an army or the total destruction of an opponent.

The problem is within us.

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Reply #96 - Today at 05:36:10
 
Do you realize that, according to UNICEF, "more than 20,000 children were killed and more than 30,000 wounded in Gaza after the Hamas attack on October 7th?"


 I've worked with UNICEF for years; I have full access to all their data.  Do you realize you have repeatedly claimed the UN has "ruled" that Israel committed genocide when that hasn't happened?  There's been allegations backed by data but not substantiated rulings as you claim.



Do you think it can have harmful consequences that Jews believe that God has a special bond with the Jewish people?
Do you think that Israel and the US have achieved more peaceful attitudes toward Jews among Muslims


 No.  None of that is beneficial.   Killing women and children of nations with more leverage in the battlefield is not beneficial either, unless you want civilian casualties to gain sympathy support.


Can you see that religion is not the solution to this problem, nor is it the cause?

 I disagree.  I think it is specifically the religions that require the death of non-believers that is causing the problem.  That is "within us" since there is no Messiah, or Jesus hitting up the local militants in-person telling them to go kill.  However religion, in this case, is what propagates the murder requirements.  


 Palestinians would be far better off if they would rebel against HAMAS.  
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Reply #97 - Today at 11:14:12
 
That doesn't detract from the fact that several authorities report that more than 50,000 children were affected by the war: 20,000 dead and 30,000 wounded.

I agree that there must be rebellion. But it must be done against the thinking itself. Because as long as you want to change someone else, that's a form of aggression. And there are gradations in that, as we've gradually learned.
We think it's someone else's fault, but the problem lies within ourselves.
And that's precisely what ignorance entails. I can still hear Jesus say it on the cross: "Forgive them, Lord, for they know not what they do."

And that's precisely what this is all about.
People are unaware that they are trapped in the illusion of thinking and act based on that thinking.

Improve the world, but start with yourself. That's not a slogan, it's a clue.
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Reply #98 - Today at 16:02:24
 
zevenenergie wrote on Today at 11:14:12:
"... several authorities report that more than 50,000 children were affected by the war: 20,000 dead and 30,000 wounded ..."


Hamas ‘quietly drops’ thousands of deaths from casualty figures ...

Claims that 70 per cent of the fatalities are women and children are complete nonsense, says report ...

Hamas has revised its casualty figures from the Gaza war, removing hundreds of names from its official list of war fatalities ...

revealing that 72% of those killed between ages 13 and 55 were males – a demographic largely composed of combatants. ...

The updated figures contradict Hamas' earlier claims that most casualties were women and children.  ...

investigation revealed that 3,400 names, including over 1,080 children, were removed from the group’s March 2025 report after being listed in 2024. ...

The first red flag came on October 17, 2023, when Hamas claimed that an Israeli airstrike killed 471 people at Al-Ahli Hospital. ...

Within days, it became clear that the blast was caused by a misfired Palestinian Islamic Jihad rocket and that the actual casualties were far lower. ...

The 70 per cent figure was, of course, never officially corrected. ...

Death toll in Gaza likely ‘higher than is being reported ...

It’s possible that Hamas inserted real ID numbers of living individuals into earlier lists to lend them credibility and to pump up numbers, only to remove them once they had served their purpose. ...

It is aware that their headline numbers make the front pages in the media while the careful vetting by data analysts is usually relegated to the back pages. ...

Hamas has never acknowledged the death of a single combatant in any of its fatality lists, nor has it revealed the cause of death for any individual. Yet the world continues to treat these statistics as reliable. ...



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