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HAMAS
Yesterday at 08:22:16

Rather clear, if the Palestinians kicked out HAMAS.
They would still have cars and houses.

Just some things gathered from the WEB.

"... murdered hostages, not just deceased hostages ..."

"... Bodies were not lost. They just don't want Israel to perform autopsies to show how they were murdered ..."

"... Do not release one prisoner until all hostages are returned ..."

"... Hamas will not stick to the agreement ..."

"... 1. Before Israel, there was a British mandate, not a Palestinian state.

2. Before the British Mandate, there was the Ottoman Empire, not a Palestinian state.

3. Before the Ottoman Empire, there was the Islamic state of the Mamluks of Egypt, not a Palestinian state.

4. Before the Islamic state of the Mamluks of Egypt, there was the Ayubid Arab-Kurdish Empire, not a Palestinian state.

5. Before the Ayubid Empire, there was the Frankish and Christian Kingdom of Jerusalem, not a Palestinian state.

6. Before the Kingdom of Jerusalem, there was the Umayyad and Fatimid empires, not a Palestinian state.

7. Before the Umayyad and Fatimid empires, there was the Byzantine empire, not a Palestinian state.

8. Before the Byzantine Empire, there were the Sassanids, not a Palestinian state.

9. Before the Sassanid Empire, there was the Byzantine Empire, not a Palestinian state.

10. Before the Byzantine Empire, there was the Roman Empire, not a Palestinian state.

11. Before the Roman Empire, there was the Hasmonean state, not a Palestinian state.

12. Before the Hasmonean state, there was the Seleucid, not a Palestinian state.

13. Before the Seleucid empire, there was the empire of Alexander the Great, not a Palestinian state.

14. Before the empire of Alexander the Great, there was the Persian empire, not a Palestinian state.

15. Before the Persian Empire, there was the Babylonian Empire, not a Palestinian state.

16. Before the Babylonian Empire, there were the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, not a Palestinian state.

17. Before the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, there was the Kingdom of Israel, not a Palestinian state.

18. Before the kingdom of Israel, there was the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel, not a
Palestinian state.

19. Before the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel, there was an agglomeration of independent Canaanite city-kingdoms, not a Palestinian state.

20. Actually, in this piece of land there has been everything, EXCEPT A PALESTINIAN STATE ..."

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zevenenergie Serious Thumper Online SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 2031 The Netherlands Den Haag	Re: HAMAS Reply #1 - Yesterday at 09:10:37 21. Total destruction of Gaza territory, with the aim of expelling the Palestinians and stealing the territory.
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Eegore Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 9669	Re: HAMAS Reply #2 - Yesterday at 12:09:36 22. Total destruction of Gaza territory, since the only acceptable outcome is the death of every Jew on the planet.
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Reply #3 - Yesterday at 15:34:11

LooseSpring, you left out ", neither was there an Israelie state" on nearly every one of your points. You can't claim that the era of the 12 tribes was a kingdom, since they were supposedly "wandering in the wilderness, having been kicked out of Egypt. (The "Exodus" was a heavily spun LIE by the authors of the Old Testament. Ask ANY secular historian.) As for the more recent points, the "Frankish and Christian Kingdom of Jerusalem" as the name shows, was simply the part of the wilderness claimed by the Crusaders--- who were Christian, not Jewish.

The only basic claim to legitimacy Israel has, historically, is the same as occupation and colonization of native lands the world over by European countries, who imposed their own boundaries for the Middle East, Africa, and the Americas. So, the Gaza conflict mirrors the English takeover of Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and the US, the Spanish and Portuguese takeover of the rest of Africa, etc. What would be the world's view of the US if we started bombing Native reservations? Also, Jews, the Rom, the Sherpas, the Sami, and others never had their own countries before, barring interference from European and US military forces, in the case of Israel. It is unrealistic to expect Israel to move. It is also unrealistic to expect the Palestinians to give up the only sliver of their former homes left to them. The Jews want to bar Gaza from becoming a country, because then they would have to face their war crimes. I don't think Hamas are reasonable, but neither is the Israelie government.

The Israelie government is showing the possibly understandable paranoia that Native Americans would probably show if the US dissolved all the reservations and gave Texas to the Natives, as a true "soverign" nation. Much of what Israel does is posturing--- they want the world to see their over-the-top military actions as a warning. Still, it does not excuse genocide. Israel is there now, but can they stand alone? If the answer is 'no', then are they a legitimate country? If the answer is 'yes', then why does the US have to support them?

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Re: HAMAS
Reply #4 - Today at 06:31:21

Needles wrote on Yesterday at 15:34:11:

"... why does the US have to support them..."

Why does the US have to support Ukraine
to the tune of
$183. billion +

Could it be the fact Biden was paying for silence,
about Hunters and his extortion.

(with money from HARD working Citizens of the US,
NOT money from the GIMME, GIMME, GIMME people)

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thumperclone Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline PGR rider riding with respect Posts: 7167 Grand Junction Colorado Gender:	Re: HAMAS Reply #5 - Today at 08:13:26 Could it be the fact Biden was paying for silence, about Hunters and his extortion. proven FALSE
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