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So what is Trump up to today?
06/08/25 at 12:24:55
 
America wakes up every morning wondering
Lib's wonder what he dd, and Pub's wonder what they will have to defend

So Trump unleashed jackbooted thugs to arrest random mostly Hispanics from the courthouse, Home Depots, and factories in LA
and the purpose of this was to create chaos with which he could declare martial law and have military take control all over the country
(mostly blue states of course)
Putin and Orban will be so proud

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Reply #1 - 06/08/25 at 13:40:41
 
Serowbot wrote on 06/08/25 at 12:24:55:
"... So Trump unleashed jackbooted thugs to arrest random ..."


And AGAIN, Totally INCORRECT !

Arrests are ILLEGALS, (from many Countries), who Lied, Cheated, Stole, Killed, etc, etc, etc.

It is the Fairy Dust Sprinkling Pocket Stuffier, who created chaos !!!
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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
Which is More TRUE, today, than yesterday.('06, S-40, Stock) well, mostly .
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Reply #2 - 06/08/25 at 14:04:24
 
Oh Yea.

It was a PEACEFUL affair.
Where the protesters,

"...video showed protesters throwing fireworks and other projectiles at officers. Vehicles have been set on fire and graffiti reading  “f*** ICE”  has been sprayed in multiple locations...."

(Just like the Floyd and BLM, affairs !!!!!)
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Reply #3 - 06/08/25 at 14:15:13
 
That's very much like saying Ukraine started the war

Thugs came first, then protestors, then more thugs, then more protestors
The protestors were protesting the thugs
You think protestors were just standing around waiting for jackbooted thugs to show up at a courthouse and Home Depot?
Silly man
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Reply #4 - 06/08/25 at 14:22:54
 
ICE is not legally law enforcement. NO ID, faces covered, due process is violated when they show up. NO US LEO has that authority.

ICE should PROVE they're there to serve and protect. They need to go arrest a few cartel gang conclaves first, just to show America they are legit!  Cool
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ICE is not legally law enforcement. NO ID, faces covered, due process is violated when they show up. NO US LEO has that authority.

 Are you willing to provide any references?  Your assessment of due process appears to be highly inaccurate.

 How is a Federal law enforcement agency not "legally" law enforcement?  Thousands and thousands of immigration lawyers would be interested in hearing this.
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Reply #6 - 06/11/25 at 06:03:02
 
Legit law enforcement does not wear masks, and the laws say that officers MUST ID themselves. Just laying hands on people, not even citizens, is a felony.
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Reply #7 - 06/11/25 at 06:51:06
 
Needles wrote on 06/11/25 at 06:03:02:
Legit law enforcement does not wear masks, and the laws say that officers MUST ID themselves. Just laying hands on people, not even citizens, is a felony.



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Reply #8 - 06/11/25 at 07:07:03
 
Legit law enforcement does not wear masks, and the laws say that officers MUST ID themselves. Just laying hands on people, not even citizens, is a felony.

 Incorrect.  The mask on law enforcement was challenged in court hundreds of times during Covid.  Of course it was reversed claims where Conservatives were saying LEO MUST ID themselves and can not cover their face and Left-wing / Full blown Socialists were saying masks were ok.

 Every single court ruling in US law says LEO can wear a mask.  Every single one.  So every court in the country is wrong and you must be right.

 Where I live LEO wear masks all winter long, including ICE.  Not one legal challenge has ever prevented it.

 I of course will look through any references you provide.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Is+there+a+law+about+law+enforcement+wearing+...

https://apnews.com/general-news-195a890d17a3ab780972cb7ed2941197

 
 
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Reply #9 - 06/12/25 at 07:07:03
 
EVERY single court has not ruled on the mask issue. So NOW who is lying? Even the few that HAVE ruled on it still said the "officers" MUST ID themselves, and the mask issue is only ok with a WARRANT. There is NOTHING in US law that allows ANY agency to just disappera groups of people without going to court. NOTHING.

Where did you IMAGINE you live? You obviously have NO IDEA what the US is all about. You ARE the people Americans are embarrassed about.
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Reply #10 - 06/12/25 at 07:45:00
 
EVERY single court has not ruled on the mask issue.

 I didn't say EVERY single court.  I said every single court ruling.  In context, specifically to masks.  I am not claiming every single court ruling on the planet is about masks.

 I would be happy to look over any reference you have that indicates LEO can not wear masks and require a "WARRANT".  Until then I will go with the multitude of references I will provide while you provide zero references.


https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/knowing-your-rights-what-are-ice-agents-...

federal officers can cover their faces, but according to federal law, they should carry with something that identifies them and the agency they're with. How they display that often falls on agency policy.

https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2025/0611/ice-agents-masks-protests

https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/08/us/ice-masks-federal-agents-arrest-students

There is no federal policy dictating when officers can or should cover their faces during arrests, but historically they have almost always worn them only while performing undercover work to protect the integrity of ongoing investigations, law enforcement experts told CNN.


 There is no information, unless you offer some, that requires a WARRANT for LEO to wear a mask.




There is NOTHING in US law that allows ANY agency to just disappera groups of people without going to court. NOTHING.

 I agree, and maybe if you used real laws and not made up nonsense  like WARRANT requirements for masks, you could make a cohesive argument about this.

 Here's an example with reference:

https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-8/chapter-I/subchapter-B/part-287/section-...

At the time of the arrest, the designated immigration officer shall, as soon as it is practical and safe to do so:

 The underlined part is where ICE (which is LEO no matter what you claim) gets away with conducting arrests with masks on and not identifying themselves prior to making the arrest.  I'm not sure how this could be altered and not give actual criminals leverage, but at least the requirement for ID does exist and is stated as such to be done quickly.  This is faster than US citizens get in non-immigration arrests when you break down the timelines.




 As for your argument about WARRANT, this is the actual law and not made up nonsense:

287.3 Disposition of cases of aliens arrested without warrant.

https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-8/chapter-I/subchapter-B/part-287/section-...

 No mention of mask requirements.  So you could theoretically make an argument about violations to 287.3, and have a Valid Argument... or you can make up lies about mask and ID requirements.  
 



Where did you IMAGINE you live? You obviously have NO IDEA what the US is all about. You ARE the people Americans are embarrassed about.


 Yeah, me being honest and not making up lies about mask laws, and using multiple references of actual US law to outline ICE violations instead of making up more lies is sooo embarrassing.  
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Reply #11 - 06/12/25 at 08:05:34
 
 In regard to CA law and LEO id requirements:

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?sectionNu...

If requested, California law enforcement agencies are required to provide the name and badge number of any officer involved in a public complaint.

However, this law pertains specifically to instances where a complaint has been filed against an officer, rather than when they’re involved in just a routine encounter.

Still, while not legally obligated to do so, when asked to identify themselves during a non-complaint interaction, police officers often do so anyway as part of their department’s policies and best practices.

While it may not be a legal requirement, the identification of officers promotes transparency, builds trust with the community, and fosters positive relationships between law enforcement and citizens.



 CA does require LEO id themselves as such if uniformed.  They can wear masks.  

 On the other hand while a US citizen must take additional steps to gain ID for LEO - Immigration LEO must provide this information a soon as it is safe to do so.  ICE operates under Federal law and not CA law.

 My take on this is the process for a "standard" or non-immigration arrest is to invoke one's 5th Amendment rights, then begin the discovery process preferably with legal counsel.  If arrested for immigration issues one has the same rights, but the process for LEO identification is faster.

 Masks do not apply.  Not one portion of any law, or any court Ruling and specifically the word "Ruling" with the exemption of all other known words, or words synonymous with the word "Ruling" while preceded with the word "Court" have been made that requires a WARRANT be initiated in order for LEO to wear a mask.  

 I know people will find it embarrassing for me, but here are more references:

https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/can-law-enforcement-officers-refuse-iden...

Broadly speaking, law enforcement officers do not have a legal duty to disclose either their identities or their agencies of affiliation, even if asked directly. Certain municipalities require police officers to identify themselves if asked, but there is currently no federal statute requiring officer disclosure of such information. Generally, federal law enforcement conduct is guided by the internal regulations of the particular law enforcement agency for whom the officers work—or, when federal officials are not involved, the regulations of local police departments.

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Reply #12 - 06/12/25 at 08:21:04
 
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/arrest_warrant

All you're showing by your insistence that ICE is legally wearing masks is the MAGA love of using odd laws to avoid obeying the law. All the cases of allowing officers to wear masks are related to Covid, and you know that. NOT the same. You accuse me of lying--- YOU misrepresent, which is also lying. The difference is YOU support the ongoing evil that is MAGA.
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Reply #13 - 06/12/25 at 08:35:04
 
Needles wrote on 06/12/25 at 07:07:03:
"... the "officers" MUST ID themselves, and the mask issue is only ok with a WARRANT...."


So it is perfectly OK,
or is it mandatory,
that the LOOTERS - DESTROYERS,
Wear a Mask ?

(SO THEY CAN NOT BE IDENTIFIED)


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Reply #14 - 06/12/25 at 08:36:13
 
All you're showing by your insistence that ICE is legally wearing masks is the MAGA love of using odd laws to avoid obeying the law. All the cases of allowing officers to wear masks are related to Covid, and you know that.


 Incorrect.  If you looked the references I provided you would know that.

 Your reference provides zero information about masks.  Where does it require a warrant for LEO to wear a mask?

 There is no Federal Law in regard to mask wearing of any kind.  ICE is a Federal Law Enforcement agency.  



You accuse me of lying--- YOU misrepresent, which is also lying.

 You stated you lie on purpose and justified it by saying Trump lies more than you.  What am I misrepresenting?  How exactly are rulings and legal structure I referenced before 2019 due to Covid?  Primary reference: June 13, 2003, as amended at 81 FR 62357, Sept. 9, 2016.


 Can you point to a law that prohibits ICE from wearing masks?  Nobody else can.



The difference is YOU support the ongoing evil that is MAGA.

 You are obviously incapable of understanding that I prefer to use actual laws to point out ICE violations and not made up imaginary mask laws.  

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