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Yesterday at 11:16:15
 
By Autopen?
Nope.
And what legislation was signed by it?
Biden wasn't running anything.
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Reply #1 - Yesterday at 11:29:41
 
Legal experts are quickly pointing out that Lord Commander Velveeta Marmalade is Wrong Again.
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Reply #2 - Yesterday at 13:09:57
 
UhHuhh,, registered dumbocraps. Like the little tyrant judges who think they can stop the president because they don't like what he's been asked to do.
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Reply #3 - Yesterday at 13:17:22
 
much ado about nothing
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Reply #4 - Yesterday at 13:33:49
 
JOG wrote on Yesterday at 13:09:57:
UhHuhh,, registered dumbocraps. Like the little tyrant judges who think they can stop the president because they don't like what he's been asked to do.


no matter how bad you want a dictatorship our government has three branches

you could always move to CUBA
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Reply #5 - Yesterday at 14:11:11
 
 It's stupid.  My opinion is that it is stupid. This is nothing more than another example of Trump not having an understanding of US law, and people over-reacting to anything Trump says.  This is an opinion.

 The Constitution does not require pardons in writing.  Legislation has been signed by autopen, digital signature and proxy for decades.  This exact issue of mandated personal signatures was addressed on July 7 2005:

https://www.justice.gov/file/494411/dl?inline


 It is my opinion that this exact issue was addressed on July 7 2005.


We find that, pursuant to this understanding, a person may sign a document by directing that his signature be affixed to it by another. We then review opinions of the Attorney General and the Department of Justice and find the same understanding reflected in opinions addressing statutory signing requirements in a variety of contexts. Reading the constitutional text in light of this established legal understanding, we conclude that the President need not personally perform the physical act of affixing his signature to a bill to sign it within the meaning of Article I, Section 7.


 Remember those checks we got with Trump's signature?  Guess he should declare those VOID, VACANT, AND OF NO FURTHER FORCE OR EFFECT so we can pay that back immediately.  

 
The Department’s opinions provide no basis for concluding that an instruction that does not amount to a delegation of presidential authority for purposes of section 301 should nonetheless be regarded as such a delegation for constitutional purposes, and, for the reasons explained above, see supra Part I.C, we believe it should not be so regarded. Rather, as we previously explained, so long as the President personally makes the decision to approve and sign a bill, “the principle that the President may not delegate to another person his authority to sign abill . . . means, for example, that if a White House aide were to sign his own name to a bill, that bill would not thereby become law. By contrast, the President’s directive to an aide to affix the President’s signature to a bill does not involve a delegation of authority.”

Accordingly, we conclude that neither past practice nor previous opinions relating to the signing requirement of Article I, Section 7 foreclose reading that requirement in a manner that is consistent with the traditional common law understanding of “sign,” with Attorney General and Department of Justice opinions applying that understanding to statutory signing requirements, and with the settled interpretation of the related presentment and return provisions.

For the foregoing reasons, we conclude that the President need not personally perform the physical act of affixing his signature to a bill he approves and decides to sign in order for the bill to become law. Rather, the President may sign a bill within the meaning of Article I, Section 7 by directing a subordinate to affix the President’s signature to such a bill, for example by autopen.
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Reply #6 - Yesterday at 14:49:07
 
Well there ya' go then

If Trump did it, it would be fine
He's only breaking 15 laws a day  Huh
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Ludicrous Speed !... ... Huh...
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Reply #7 - Yesterday at 17:28:54
 
"... we conclude that the President need not personally perform the physical act of affixing his signature to a bill he approves and decides to sign in order for the bill to become law. ...."

However, does a POTUS, have to be cognitive ??????
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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
Which is More TRUE, today, than yesterday.('06, S-40, Stock) well, mostly .
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Reply #8 - Yesterday at 17:36:50
 

However, does a POTUS, have to be cognitive ??????

 My opinion is Yes.  However is Trump qualified, by law, to decide?  My opinion is No.  This is an opinion.

 However, there are no provisions for overturning previous POTUS pardons by a sitting POTUS in my opinion.  In my opinion at most they can challenge the autopen guidance in court.  This is an opinion.

 This post is an opinion.  The previous sentence indicates this post is an opinion.
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Reply #9 - Today at 02:57:55
 
[quote
However, does a POTUS, have to be cognitive ??????]

"I could stand in the middle of 5th avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any votes." DJT

this is from a cognitive man?
No, it's from a sick maniac supported by sick morons
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Reply #10 - Today at 04:15:18
 
thumperclone wrote on Today at 02:57:55:
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However, does a POTUS, have to be cognitive ??????]

"I could stand in the middle of 5th avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any votes." DJT

this is from a cognitive man?
No, it's from a sick maniac supported by sick morons


I’m not sick and I am not moron.

Biden literally sold his VP office and was clearly experiencing age related dementia. Despite this, he was still nominated for President by his party and you supported him enthusiastically.

Trump’s comment was clearly hyperbole, exaggeration to make a point.

One classic symptom of TDS is to take statements out of context and imagine them to be literal.
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Reply #11 - Today at 04:28:23
 


Trump’s comment was clearly hyperbole, exaggeration to make a point.
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moronic excuse to hide his deranged personality
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Reply #12 - Today at 05:02:17
 
You think Trump would pull out a gun, kill someone and then dare his voters to drop their support?
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Reply #13 - Today at 05:23:44
 
no telling what an incompetent arrogant egotistical racist unfit narcissistic a$$hole would do besides try to destroy our democracy and claim himself king
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Reply #14 - Today at 09:46:38
 
Do you even hear yourself?
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