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03/04/25 at 04:58:59
 
Top 10 NATO Countries with the Highest Defense Expenditures
(by total US$)


United States  $860,000
Germany. $68,080
United Kingdom  $65,763
France. $56,649
Italy. $31,585
Poland. $29,105
Canada. $28,950
Spain. $19,179
Netherlands. $16,741
Turkey. $15,842
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Reply #1 - 03/04/25 at 05:22:31
 
Top 10 by GDP in 2024:

Poland: 4.1% of GDP
Estonia: 3.4% of GDP
United States: 3.4% of GDP
Latvia: 3.2% of GDP
Greece: 3.1% of GDP
Lithuania: 2.54% of GDP
Finland: 2.45% of GDP
Romania: 2.44% of GDP
Hungary: 2.43% of GDP
United Kingdom: 2.3% of GDP

https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/2024/6/pdf/240617-def-exp-...
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Reply #2 - 03/04/25 at 05:46:34
 
"...Gross National Product (GNP) measures the total value of all goods and services produced by a country's residents and businesses, regardless of where the production occurs. It includes personal consumption, government spending, ..."


"...GNP does not include intermediate goods and services to avoid double-counting since they are already incorporated in the value of final goods and services. ..."

"... The U.S. used GNP until 1991 as its main measure of economic activity. After that point, it started to use GDP in its place for two main reasons.2 First, GDP corresponds more closely to other U.S. economic data of interest to policymakers, The Difference Between GNP and GDP ..."

"... GNP and GDP are very closely related concepts, and the main differences between them come from the fact that there may be companies owned by foreign residents that produce goods in the country, and companies owned by domestic residents that produce goods for the rest of the world ..."

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Reply #3 - 03/04/25 at 07:25:04
 
 My opinion is knowing the difference between GNP and GDP is valuable and also it is my opinion that NATO calculations use specific guidelines and the analysis math should use the same algorithms.  

 It is my opinion that the 2023 Vilnius Summit, NATO Leaders agreed on the Defense Investment Pledge making a continual commitment to investing at least 2% of GDP annually on defense.

 It is my opinion that while they agree on GDP - NSIP utilizes an agreed cost-sharing formula derived from the GNI - Gross National Income of NATO members for what they call Common Funding Arrangements.

 It is my opinion the other two budgets use GDP for various reasons.

 It is my opinion that if we use all three budget allocations we get a different list:

United States: 16.1964
Germany: 16.1964
United Kingdom: 11.1801
France: 10.3963
Italy: 8.7017
Spain: 5.9365
Canada: 6.8166
Turkey: 4.6838  
Netherlands: 3.4193
Poland: 2.9591

 So in my opinion the analysis feature can slightly alter the outcomes depending on how closely we want to match budget algorithms.  No matter how we look at the math - it is my opinion - that the US will always be on the top of that list as long as the highest number is on top - this is of course my opinion.
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Reply #4 - 03/04/25 at 07:42:00
 
Wait.... now that we've changed sides, we should compare our expenditures to Russia, China, and North Korea

MAGA  Huh
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Reply #5 - 03/04/25 at 08:12:04
 
Nobody’s changed sides, but Trump is apparently the only one interested in stopping young men from being killed.

Here’s the thing, any other plan put in place by these European nations, involves a longer war and at the end of the day, Ukraine is still going to lose. Or there’s gonna be a massive outbreak with numerous countries. You’re not going to beat Russia if they don’t want to be beaten unless we have an all out battle that includes us, or a whole bunch of people from some European nations. I saw Canada said they would send some aircraft today. Wait till one of them gets shot down.
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Reply #6 - 03/04/25 at 09:54:56
 
I totally agree with you.

To me it seems like NATO really wants to start a third world war even though Trump is trying to prevent it.

Europe wants to invest 800 billion in defense, but that costs 1700 euros per capita. I know better ways to spend my money.

Investing money in defense is throwing money away.

It's better to build good business relationships and invest money in things that reduce tension.
Trump was also doing well with the Abraham accords.
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Reply #7 - 03/04/25 at 10:11:12
 
Right vs wrong?
No
Likely winner vs likely loser
Yes

Has Trump made a single move against Putin?
If Trump were Putin's puppet, what might he have done any different?
That was rhetorical.. Trump is Putin's puppet  Huh
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Reply #8 - 03/04/25 at 12:42:24
 
I don't think Trump is the type to be tied to strings.
If so, can you point out the strings?
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Reply #9 - 03/04/25 at 20:26:21
 
Trump is Putin's puppet

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Reply #10 - 03/05/25 at 04:44:40
 
Former President of Poland Lech Walesa wrote the following letter to Trump.

Your Excellency, Mr. President,

We watched the report of your conversation with the President of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelensky, with fear and distaste. We find it insulting that you expect Ukraine to show respect and gratitude for the material assistance provided by the United States in its fight against russia. Gratitude is owed to the heroic Ukrainian soldiers who shed their blood in defense of the values of the free world. They have been dying on the front lines for more than 11 years in the name of these values and the independence of their homeland, which was attacked by Putin’s russia.

We do not understand how the leader of a country that symbolizes the free world cannot recognize this.

Our alarm was also heightened by the atmosphere in the Oval Office during this conversation, which reminded us of the interrogations we endured at the hands of the Security Services and the debates in Communist courts. Prosecutors and judges, acting on behalf of the all-powerful communist political police, would explain to us that they held all the power while we held none. They demanded that we cease our activities, arguing that thousands of innocent people suffered because of us. They stripped us of our freedoms and civil rights because we refused to cooperate with the government or express gratitude for our oppression. We are shocked that President Volodymyr Zelensky was treated in the same manner.

The history of the 20th century shows that whenever the United States sought to distance itself from democratic values and its European allies, it ultimately became a threat to itself. President Woodrow Wilson understood this when he decided in 1917 that the United States must join World War I. President Franklin Delano Roosevelt understood this when, after the attack on Pearl Harbor in December 1941, he resolved that the war to defend America must be fought not only in the Pacific but also in Europe, in alliance with the nations under attack by the Third Reich.

We remember that without President Ronald Reagan and America’s financial commitment, the collapse of the Soviet empire would not have been possible. President Reagan recognized that millions of enslaved people suffered in Soviet russia and the countries it had subjugated, including thousands of political prisoners who paid for their defense of democratic values with their freedom. His greatness lay, among other things, in his unwavering decision to call the USSR an “Empire of Evil” and to fight it decisively. We won, and today, the statue of President Ronald Reagan stands in Warsaw, facing the U.S. Embassy.

Mr. President, material aid—military and financial—can never be equated with the blood shed in the name of Ukraine’s independence and the freedom of Europe and the entire free world. Human life is priceless; its value cannot be measured in money. Gratitude is due to those who sacrifice their blood and their freedom. This is self-evident to us, the people of Solidarity, former political prisoners of the communist regime under Soviet russia.

We call on the United States to uphold the guarantees made alongside Great Britain in the 1994 Budapest Memorandum, which established a direct obligation to defend Ukraine’s territorial integrity in exchange for its relinquishment of nuclear weapons. These guarantees are unconditional—there is no mention of treating such assistance as an economic transaction.

Signed,

Lech Wałęsa, former political prisoner, President of Poland
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Reply #11 - 03/05/25 at 05:23:45
 
Trump is Putin's puppet

Waiting for arbiter of truth to correct the delusional


 Go ahead and point out where I've commented on Your own posts in regard to this topic.
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Reply #12 - 03/05/25 at 05:34:13
 
One thing I can’t stand is leftist pointing back in time to Reagan in gratitude. When he was working with Thatcher to bankrupt the USSR, the left was all over him as being stupid and out of touch. As unhinged as they were back then towards Reagan, they’re 10 times more unhinged towards Trump so I don’t give a Fxxk what Walesa’s opinion is.

Once again, Trump’s plan is the only plan that stops the war. Governor Trudeau said yesterday, Canada was ready to participate in the war, probably with a few jets. What an idiot. What happens when one gets shot down and a pilot killed or worse, captured?

Trump’s plan to bring American companies in for the rare earth metals etc means Putin will not attack with the US there. Face it, wars have consequences and Ukraine has lost some territory. Maybe it will gain it back in the future, but not now.

F’ing leftist will sacrifice innocent lives ,as shown last night during the Joint Session, for illegals to stream across an open border so they’ve got someone to pick their fruit, vegetables, cut grass, clean pools and cook good Mexican food. They’ll sacrifice little girls playing sports with confused , but much bigger and stronger athletic boys and they’ll willing to sacrifice more young men from Ukraine because it’s not leftist doing the dying.

Ann Coulter was spot on when she said liberalism is a mental disease.
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Reply #13 - 03/05/25 at 05:36:47
 
Serowbot wrote on 03/04/25 at 10:11:12:
Right vs wrong?
No
Likely winner vs likely loser
Yes

Has Trump made a single move against Putin?
If Trump were Putin's puppet, what might he have done any different?
That was rhetorical.. Trump is Putin's puppet  Huh


You have your moments of common sense and clarity but this Putin’s puppet gig you keep returning to is idiotic. Especially since the previous president, Pudd’nhead, facilitated his son’s business prospects over there….talk about a puppet.
come up with a new gig man you’re smarter than that.
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Reply #14 - 03/05/25 at 06:28:55
 
WebsterMark wrote on 03/05/25 at 05:34:13:
One thing I can’t stand is leftist pointing back in time to Reagan in gratitude. When he was working with Thatcher to bankrupt the USSR, the left was all over him as being stupid and out of touch. As unhinged as they were back then towards Reagan, they’re 10 times more unhinged towards Trump ..."


A-Yep !

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