Message: (Illegal in this Nation)

Turn your self in, if you are ILLEGAL.
You then have a chance of coming in, in the future.

When you are ILLEGAL, and caught, then you will never be allowed to come into this Nation again.

Why are the UL, DFI, WOKE, FDS Socialists angry with that ?

These are complicated issues that we are discussing here.

And if you approach them in a political way, you will not get anywhere.

I think you should be much more honest. Just say that you do not feel like paying for them. That you are tough enough to separate children from their parents. That you do not mind that people who are refused, are faced with an impossible task almost equal to the deportations in Europe in the Second World War in Europe when Jews were transported.

These are all deep wounds in humanity and we touch them here when we talk about illegal immigrants.

There is an old but current proverb. You cannot pluck the rose before you have pricked yourself on the thorns.

Humanity will have to face its collective traumas.

There is a similarity when I see and read the information on that subject.
Namely, people are transported from Europe to Africa who are not welcome here. Mind you, they end up in a camp in the desert. I would not like to be in their shoes. But also not in the shoes of people who are deported who have been smuggled in here by human traffickers under miserable conditions. They are often promised things that never correspond to the actual situation.

Imagine it happening to you.

That affects me.

That is also one of the reasons why I am in favor of a strict immigration policy. It is scandalous that Biden has opened the borders.

But I mentioned the example because this discussion is loaded because collective traumas are also in us. and we often react from that without knowing it.
I think of Jog's topic and how heated emotions sometimes run.

It is simply the case that there are few people walking around without traumas. And they are triggered back and forth.

So Arguments you have heard indicating this is a negative policy are from 'observed' factors.  And your opinion is that, 'observed opinion', is because you believe those people are not impacted directly in any way from illegal immigrant activities.

 Yes it is my opinion that I have Observed statements from other humans that have opinions as result of their own Observations.

 
Have you observed any, 'support', of the policy, from people that are affected/impacted, directly in any way from illegal immigrant activities ?

 It is my opinion, for anyone incapable of understanding what an opinion is, that I have not.


Or you have not, 'observed', that reality.
Therefore it is not real ?'

 I do not claim to use Observed Reality as justification for my arguments.  As such it is my opinion that I think that things I do not Observe can be real and are still reality.  

 It is my opinion that an example would be that I will still read an article and references even if the information aligns with what I have personally Observed instead of assuming it is true based off the extremely limited capacity a human, including myself, can Observe in comparison to all observable things on the planet.

Ok but are you prepared to think about things that are suggested by people with a different point of view even if the outcome does not fit your worldview. Of course I am not asking you to live according to someone else's point of view but are you open to other possibilities. Or are your fixed conventions sacred.
And if yes and no, what does it take for you to open up?

 It is my opinion that I'm not entirely clear what you are asking, but I can say it is my opinion that I do not think my Observations are an analogue for the entire planet.  I think other people can Observe something different than me even when we Observe the same thing.

 It is my opinion that the logic of Observed Reality is not one I would utilize in an argument as my Observations would not typically be enough information.  Many things I do not Observe exist.

It's interesting that your avatar is covering it's eyes  

Do you mean that observations alone are not enough to support an argument?

 My Observations alone are typically not enough to support an argument that has global implications.  For instance I did not see a ton of humans die in a war in the Ukraine however I can reasonably conclude that humans die in war in the Ukraine by means of utilizing the Observations of others.

 Of course once I Observe their Observations one could consider it my Observation.  The issue is claiming information is true or false based off my Observations alone.  I could simply refuse to Observe anything related to war in the Ukraine and now information about that is false.

 That is the problem with Observed Reality.  I can choose what I Observe.

Eegore wrote on 03/04/25 at 11:46:26:

I think it is good to remain critical of my own perception because my interpretation can be colored by previous experiences.
But I do not have to protect myself against criticism of my beliefs. I do not see them as my center.
I see the limitations of thinking and the veil that it raises. But I am not so skeptical that I cannot come to a conclusion.
And I can take multiple positions to look at something.

and there is also such a thing as objective measurements and peer review.