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Lots of good information to process here! Thanks for sharing, Dave.
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02/01/25 at 19:18:31
the V nose trailer actually get worse fuel mileage than a trailer with a gently rounded front with rounded corners.
Looks like I'll be slowing down a bit , but thats OK , I don't have to be in a hurry for anything. Life is better in low gear IMHO
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I think a HF 4'x8' x (under 48") tear drop might be the ideal sleeper. Maybe even FOAM BUILT ? Anybody ever try the poor mans Fiber-glass ?
I kind of like the start of this one just to sleep in at the interstate rest area but if the bike would fit in it then that would be just perfect !
I think to put one of my motorcycles inside would require 60" inside so the bike is still in the truck ... but I almost always get above 25 mpg from the Colorado anyway (a trailer is going to change that -almost for sure)
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02/01/25 at 19:37:26
Hay , anybody toyed with the idea of a really low low height bike trailer being pulled by a camper bed on a pick-up ?
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I put a camper top on a little Diesel Dotsun PU I had once and my fuel millage dropped from the 48mpg that I loved to only 42mpg that I tolerated .
But getting the trailer and bike dropped below the Topper Roof line being the main thing.
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Hay , anybody toyed with the idea of a really low low height bike trailer being pulled by a camper bed on a pick-up ?
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I put a camper top on a little Diesel Dotsun PU I had once and my fuel millage dropped from the 48mpg that I loved to only 42mpg that I tolerated .
When I got my little trailer the first thing I did was remove the spring axle and install a rubber torsion axle that lowered the height by 4" - my goal was to get the height more in line with the roof of my little Vibe (which had 1.5" lowering springs installed).
My experience with the little 4x8 trailer that was 4' tall towed behind my cars was this:
Vibe 32mpg on trips - 19-23 mpg with trailer (mpg varied depending on wind direction and number of big hills). It had a small 4 cylinder and 6 speed manual transmission and it did slow down to 60mph on interstate hills......it was at full throttle when coming up hills. The slower pace up hills did make the travel time a bit later, and the constant gear shifting kept me busy! However - it was a nice outfit and worked well for more than 12 years.
Lincoln MKC. Wife's car with a 2.0 Ecoboost (fancy Ford Edge). This car gets 24-27 mpg on trips - it dropped to 18mpg with the small trailer behind it. This car had an automatic and it did the work of shifting, and it did not slow down on hills and we could maintain the 65 or 70mph speed limits going up the interstate hills. It was far more comfortable and stable with my little trailer behind it.
I have only towed my new 5x10 trailer (5' high) to TN with my Ford Explorer once. On our trip to that area without a trailer I drove calmly and we got 31mpg - that mpg only happens on longer trips at 65-70 mph on the interstate and mid 20's is more common. On the trip to the Iron Horse campground in Stecoah (300 miles) I got 18mpg pulling the trailer with a motorcycle in it.
My neighbor and I have a 7'x12' trailer that is 6' tall that can haul two bikes, and he tows it with his Ford 3/4 ton diesel truck. We just made a trip without a trailer and he got 20mpg - with the trailer behind we get 13mpg. The truck has plenty of power and never shifts out of high gear or works to pull the trailer.
I have seen several pickup truck/trailer combinations in the campground that have a cap on the bed of the truck and the owners sleep in the back of the truck. I believe this is the setup I would use if I owned a pickup truck and enclosed motorcycle trailer. You don't need to do anything but climb in the back to use the bed and get some sleep. I also believe that this is very likely the best route for getting the best mpg while pulling a trailer - and adding a "wing" or air deflector on the top of the bed cover would likely help as well. Here is a video of a fellow adding a skateboard deflector that helped his mpg. I am likely going to try this on my Explorer by using the roof racks as a mount for a deflector........I have been searching for an affordable snow board at the local thrift store and watching Craigslist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bvaEYFTKS4&t=578s
Speed also has a huge impact on mpg when towing. The sweet speed seems to be 60mph in my RV - going over that significantly affects my mpg. The following video supports this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqgafHOdn_k
I believe where/how your are driving your truck has an effect on the mpg results of a truck bed cap. If you are driving around locally with speeds below 60mph, though town with lots of intersections - I believe the extra weight of the truck cap can reduce your mpg. If you are doing highway driving at speeds over 60mph (or pulling a trailer) - I believe the truck cap can improve your mpg.
There is not doubt a trailer will reduce your mpg - however the cost of the extra fuel may not be as costly as it seems. On a 300 mile trip getting 30 mpg will require 10 gallons of fuel. If you get 20mpg you will need 15 gallons of fuel. The difference is only 5 gallons - about $15 at current fuel prices in this area. For that $15 you have brought a bed with you, hauled your motorcycle, etc. You don't need to rent a $60 a night cabin and you can either sleep at a rest area for free - or get a $20 a night spot in a campground. You have actually saved money!
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Reply #94 -
02/02/25 at 08:57:48
Heck. When our tents have gotten destroyed in the middle of the night, the truck cab with the seats tilted back feels pretty good until you wake up and feel like you’ve been hit by an18-wheeler.
Camper tops for truck beds have gotten stupid expensive for a good one. I explored that idea. I also don’t want to leave it on the truck full time for when I need the extra height in the truck bed. Here again, the hassle of taking it on/off and storing the darn thing.
My current thinking for now…
1) forget the toy hauler until we have somewhere on our property to store it.
2) forget cabin rentals. Getting expensive, not available in all locations, and most don’t allow pets. Boo..
3) rent a real RV camper in the 21’ range, tow with the truck, wife drives the truck and I follow behind on the bike for those type excursions.
My short term goal is to get out of a tent when camping and occasionally bring a bike when it’s practical to do so. It just makes sense for me to wait on the toy hauler until I have a convenient way to store it on our own property. And reality is…until my wife retires, we can only realistically camp 2-3 times per year.
The “whale tail” is a slick idea. My truck gets about 15mpg when towing a good load. I’ve just learned to accept that. The darn thing only gets about 20mpg without a load and IF I only go 55-60mph. That speed just doesn’t cut it in Texas, so I really get about 18mpg on the highway doing 70-75mph (maybe 80 if the speed limit is 75).
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Reply #95 -
02/02/25 at 12:00:34
Hi Paul
Hay I've put two Savages in the rear of my truck a lot of times with no problem. The fuel millage does drop a little from the wind of the bikes sticking up , but only a few mpg. A truck driving buddy of mine had a 18 wheeler that would only do 68 mph that he drove a long time and in every state . It's OK not to fly off the bluff just because the guy in front of ya does ...
I might have to watch for a small , low , dual Motorcycle trailer and a truck toper.
I'll sell the left-overs when I get done. !
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Hay Paul , if you've got a full size truck then you could get one of those 2" receiver hitch 800 pound motorcycle carriers ?
I know a Motoguzzi guy that put one on the front of his truck and pulled a 16' enclosed trailer/camper on the rear ... He said "no I never checked the fuel millage , I just keep putting it in when it needs it . "
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02/02/25 at 15:08:28
Hey MM. I still really like the toy hauler idea for bikes and camping. I just need to pause the idea until a better time.
Sorry, but I'm not putting a bike in the bed of the truck. And those bike racks that go on a hitch are a big "no way". Maybe for a small dirt bike, but noooo thanks.
And I'm not slowing down either. Lol.... Knock on wood, but I haven't got a speeding ticket in over 30 years. We have lots of miles of 75mph speed limits, and a bunch more 70s. Doing 70-75 is just normal. I get passed all day doing 75 in the right lane. We got places to get to in Texas.
Ok - y'all get back to discussing toy hauler mods now. I've verred of course again...
Wait, EDIT: I got an electronic device speeding ticket sent to me from Des Moines, IA about 8 years ago when driving to Minnesota. That's chicken-chit. Something like 62 in a 55. I paid their stupid fine.
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Reply #97 -
02/02/25 at 22:12:59
Yes , if they post it at 55 then they should enforce it to be 55 !
wouldn't that really be something !
Just think how that would change daily life !
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An alternative might be to join "Bunk a Biker"
https://www.bunkabiker.com/
Just Ride every where ya want to go !
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there are all the trash mouth folks and the boarder line alcoholic people , ya just never know who ya going to find ?
I'll just have to build a camper !
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02/03/25 at 04:44:39
Definitely build that camper! Sounds like you and Dave have some space to spread out and storage space. That’s what’s really holding me back - subdivision living and a rule enforcing HOA bunch of Karens. Hopefully one day I can come back to this thread for some great info and steal shamelessly!
Where is your outlaw spirit? As Sammy Hagar put it, “I can’t drive 55!”.
Dave: I was reminded of your comment about going to Big Bend this April last night. The planets are in a spectacular line up right now.
Even in Houston I can see Venus, Jupiter, and Mars. I’m sure I could see Saturn if I went out a little later.
There is a cool free app you can get for your phone that will show you the names of stars and planets just by pointing your phone in that direction. I use one called StarTracker Lite.
People expect you can see the stars and planets better when in remote places like in the heart of Texas or Montana. Of course you can, but the problem is you can see too many and can’t tell which is which!
It’s like trying to pick out a particular fish in a packed aquarium versus picking it out when there are only two or three.
The stars at night are big and bright “Deep in the Heart of Texas”. If you ever go to an Astros baseball game, you will be forced to sing along to this tune during the 7th inning stretch.
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02/03/25 at 15:48:16
Paul: Yes I have room to store stuff outdoors.....25 acres. Maybe someday the time/place will be right for you to have a trailer. Perhaps you can find someone in your area to share the ownership with - somebody who has room to store the trailer.
I loved my little 4x8 trailer and Pontiac Vibe - they were the right combination for my life from 2009 until 20023. I likely put 30,000 miles on that trailer!
The 5x10 trailer that I have now is bigger and better - I am sure it will see many miles and many smiles in the years to come. It is perfect for me to haul a single bike and sleep in - with or without the bike inside. I do not have any kind of toilet, fridge or other amenities inside - it is basically a rigid gent on wheels! I can haul a cooler if I need to store food, and I pack a 10x10 pop up canopy to cover the bike once I get to my final destination. My trailer did not get as much use last year, as my neighbor and I each bought 1/2 a bigger trailer that can haul both our bikes, and I have traveled with him several times last year. We slept in a tent, cabin or hotel - the cabins at Cherohala Mountain Trailers are $60 a night and are heated, and we used the heaters as it was cold after dark the two times we went there.
MMRanch: I hope you build your trailer with a flexible arrangement so you can put the bike inside if you want to....make the beds in a way they can be moved or folded out of the way to make room for the bike. With a 6' wide trailer you will have room for a bike and a sleeping bag/pad next to the bike when you are on a solo trip.....you may even have room to sleep crosswise in the trailer.
I could do the math - but I had a friend who researched the costs of traveling. The cheapest way to do it is use your car/truck, stay in a tent in the campground and cook your own meals. The more expensive way is to travel by car, eat in restaurants and stay in hotels - or - Drive an RV or camper, staying in campgrounds and eat your own food. The cost of fuel/food/travel is about the same for those two - so it really just depends how you want to travel. (The cost of a new car and a used RV or camper can be about the same....and if you already have a truck that cost is already paid).
Deb and I both had full time jobs and we were very frugal with our money - and I did as much maintenance on the house and vehicles as I could (I hate paying folks to do stuff I can do). Now we are in our senior years and we need to enjoy the years we have left together - time for us to travel and spend the money we saved for retirement!
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02/03/25 at 17:09:35
I learned something last night.....maybe I should have learned it last summer!
I bought one of these little plug in thermostats - it can control the room temperature by turning a small electric heater on/off as needed. The little 500 watt heater I bought does not have any way to adjust the heat.
So last night I decided to give it a try and sleep in the trailer. I first set the temperature to 68, as that is what we have our house set at and I sleep fine. I had removed the conventional mattress I had been using in the trailer and decided to try one of the 8" thick air mattresses I had bought last year. I wanted something easy to store when I wasn't using it.
I had a fitted flannel sheet on the air mattress, a flannel sheet above, and a wool blanket. I woke up cold - so I turned the heat up a bit, and I was still cold so I added another blanket. I woke up cold again! It was the kind of cold that I feel between my shoulder blades and makes me very uncomfortable. I kept turning up the heat and finally it was 78 degrees and I started to feel OK.
I got curious about the air mattress - as I was not cold in the trailer a month ago when I was sleeping in far colder temperatures with a conventional mattress. I did a search on YouTube - and it turns out that air mattresses are known for making it hard to stay warm when sleeping in cold weather! The air in the mattress is not a good insulator and it transfers the cold from the ground (trailer floor) to your body.
If you do use an air mattress in cold weather - you need as many blankets under you as you do on top! Last summer we were camping in a tent and I had a small little air mattress, and I froze that night as well - the next night I slept with my sleeping bag underneath me and blankets on top and stayed warm.....I didn't think my trailer floor was cold enough to repeat this cold night event!
So - it turns out cots are better for staying warm on cold nights, and if you still want to use an air mattress you need to put blankets or a sleeping bag under you as well as on top.
This is the little thermostat I bought - it worked very well.
https://www.amazon.com/EconoHome-Adjustable-Thermostat-Universal-Compatible/d...
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02/03/25 at 17:43:54
Well the 6'x10' should be finished in a week or so. I have a two Blue motorcycles so I got a Blue Trailer to haul one of them in !
I should find out about the fuel millage on the way home from Chattanooga !
Driving at a relaxed pace the mpg may be just fine ?
Hay Paul I can save the "Can't Drive 55" for the Day Rides when your leading !
I wonder how many sleeping bags we can fit into a 6'x10' floor space if need be ? ? I'm sure my wife will not be getting far from home while she can still go visit her mom.
I'd think it would take years to fix a Camper to perfection ?
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I should find out about the fuel millage on the way home from Chattanooga !
Driving at a relaxed pace the mpg may be just fine ?
I wonder how many sleeping bags we can fit into a 6'x10' floor space if need be ?
I'd think it would take years to fix a Camper to perfection ?
Based on my trailer experience - you should expect a 6-10 mpg decrease. At slow speeds the light trailer is not going to make much difference - but once you start traveling at speeds 60mph and above the wind resistance will kick in.
A 6' wide trailer will allow 2 cots to fit in lengthwise, with a small aisle between.....and the aisle will be handy for those trips outside to check the weather a couple of times each night! If you start piling folks in sideways.......you likely could "Sardine" in 4 people!
When I worked on the inside of my camper - it took me nearly 4 weeks of full time attention to get it wired, windows and roof vent installed, insulated, shelves built, floor and walls painted. It would have been more work if I was building cabinets or installing a fridge or solar system.
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Dave: Surprisingly, there’s something I knew and you didn’t already know. I’m stunned!
Yes, at least as many blankets under you as on top of you with an air mattress or sleeping on the ground. That goes back to my Cub Scout camping days when I was 12-13 years old. Camping in the Smokey Mountains around SC/NC/GA along the Chattanooga Trail.
I also use a very thick furniture protector/blanket between the air mattress and the floor of the tent. It makes a huge difference. It’s one of those blankets you can buy/rent from U-Haul. I got mine for free when I rented a trailer from U-Haul and the previous renter didn’t remove it from the trailer and U-Haul didn’t remove it either. So, free to me no questions asked when I kept it. It also helps in the summer as it kinda collects condensation and moisture in the tent at night. If it gets “wet”, drag it outside and air it out during the day.
Go for it, MM! I’d go for a 1 man 1-bike setup for starters. I personally wouldn’t want to experiment with 3-4 people in there. I’d also skip building cots/bunks/Murphy bed type setup and just use an air mattress (Queen or full size - biggest that will fit). My need would be sleeping for 2 (wife and I). My needs would be kept very simple - like “less is more” approach.
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Paul: I am just not familiar with sleeping on cold ground...and only recently have I purchased an air mattress. When we did camp in a tent we slept on cots, and we didn't tent camp in cold weather.
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I have kept the floor area of both my trailers open - without any permanent attachment.
That allows the use of the trailer for hauling things that you want to keep covered. Things like furniture that you don't want rained on. It also is nice when hauling light things like foam insulation, thin plywood sheets and anything light that could blow out of an open trailer. In my small trailer I hauled an antique bed back to my mom's house 300 miles away - then hauled horse manure for Deb's garden back to my house! (No sense hauling an empty trailer home, and mom's horse was very neat and poo in the same spot in the barn every day - so gathering up clean horse poo and putting it in plastic yard bags was easy).
I agree with Paul - don't build or attach any kind of bed to the trailer for a while, and see how the trailer works out for you. Work on getting the stuff built in the V nose first. Windows and/or a roof vent are a must to get some air flow through the trailer for sleeping. On our motorcycle trips to TN/NC/GA I have never needed heat or AC - the one time Stew and I rode when it was below freezing at night we stayed in the Two Wheel Inn and had a warm hotel room. On the most recent trip at the Cherohala Mountains Streams campground we had a cabin with heat. A few times it has dropped into the 50's at night and my trailer was comfortable without heat - I believe MM was in a tent on a few of those nights!
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