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Reply #45 - 01/25/25 at 17:19:26
 
Well the portable AC and a dehumidifier have a lot in common - but the end result is different.

In the dehumidifier the incoming room air hits the cold coils and the moisture drops out - then the air hits the hot coils and the air come out hot.

In the portable AC unit the incoming room air hits the cool coils and is then blown into the room - while the air blowing over the hot coils is blown outside through the exhaust hose.
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Reply #46 - 01/25/25 at 17:48:12
 
Dave wrote on 01/25/25 at 17:19:26:
Well the portable AC and a dehumidifier have a lot in common - but the end result is different.

In the dehumidifier the incoming room air hits the cold coils and the moisture drops out - then the air hits the hot coils and the air come out hot.

In the portable AC unit the incoming room air hits the cool coils and is then blown into the room - while the air blowing over the hot coils is blown outside through the exhaust hose.


Yup.  Exactly.  Just saying my dehumidifier looks virtually identical.  I use it in the garage occasionally when it’s cold (cooler) and damp in there.  Like today.  And then run the little oil radiator heater with a fan blowing across it.  I can get it pretty comfortable in there with low electricity usage.
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Reply #47 - 01/25/25 at 18:57:12
 
Yes sir Paul , that thing gathers up the Hot Air in the room and shoves it into the 4" pipe and a window attachment comes with it to fasten the pipe to kind of like the window fan attachment from when we were kids.  Smiley

That makes me think about poking a hole in the roof for a vent.   To POKE a hole in a roof that is prone to leak anyway is a little disturbing.  I'm sure most folks can do it with no problem .  I'm not taking the chance .    I think the AC and an Exit hole for the pipe hauling the heat out.
How about one of these - high on the rear back wall ?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/295736666840?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D111000...
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Somehow  this seems like a good idea but I don't know how yet ?  

https://www.ebay.com/itm/156584890285?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D111001...
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Reply #48 - 01/25/25 at 19:51:30
 
Hay , I may be thinking ahead a bit ... considering I don't have a trailer to build yet , but I do have plenty of inverters !  


I'm looking at charge controllers and came across this one that looks a lot like the one Harbor Freight has but is a lot less money.  I know enough to think "when the seller says 100 Amps that is 100 amp at 12  volts  or 1200 watts?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/305757939694?_skw=600+watt+Solar+Panel+Battery+Charg...

What do you fellers have ?


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Reply #49 - 01/26/25 at 03:24:01
 
MM:

Mounting the vent in the roof is fine - the butyl sealant under the flange is waterproof, and the lap sealant you use on the outside is very durable.  Their are also tape systems that are easier/neater to use than the lap sealant and are supposed to be more durable.  This video shows the tape after 4 years - it was applied over the previous sealer and it would be flatter if installed on a new flange without the lap sealer underneath.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x37YvBP_NO8


Don't go cheap on this very important item.  Get a good one that will be trouble free.  This is the roof vent I used (although I bought a white one).  The cover raises when in use, and it also serves to block any rain from entering while the cover is up.  On those other style vent fans you need to install an additional cover if you don't want rain getting in - and they add considerable height to the trailer (and create a lot of wind drag when towing).

The Maxxair fan has 4 speeds and uses very little power and is very quiet on the low settings

https://www.amazon.com/MAXXAIR-Maxxfan-Deluxe-Cover-Built/dp/B016MWZIBU?sourc...

For the hose to bring the diesel heat inside.....or the AC heat outside, use one of the round access hole ports and install it in the floor in a place that won't be in your way.  For me that would be up n the V-nose beneath the shelves.  They come in many sizes - this is just an example to show what is available.

https://www.etrailer.com/RV-Access-Doors/JR-Products/37231025.html?feed=npn

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Reply #50 - 01/26/25 at 05:53:20
 
We have Maxxair fans in our van. They are indispensable IMO.  

We have one in front and one in the back.   Different combinations of intake and exhaust allow us to move air through the space as needed. You can go full intake/full exhaust, or create a cross-breeze that will move air in either direction.

The cross-breeze capability should not be overlooked in a small space IMO. We've survived a few scorchers without AC and air movement comes in clutch when using the loo for number two.
 

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Reply #51 - 01/26/25 at 06:26:55
 
MMRanch wrote on 01/25/25 at 19:51:30:
Hay , I may be thinking ahead a bit ... considering I don't have a trailer to build yet , but I do have plenty of inverters !  


I'm looking at charge controllers and came across this one that looks a lot like the one Harbor Freight has but is a lot less money.  I know enough to think "when the seller says 100 Amps that is 100 amp at 12  volts  or 1200 watts?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/305757939694?

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I’ll the first to admit that electrical stuff baffles me.  What does a “solar controller” do?  Simple English please.

One thing about buying Chinese stuff on eBay or wherever is that the “Chinglish” descriptions are hard for me to comprehend, and if instructions are included with the item, those are even worse.

For the Maxxair roof fan, it looks like it opens to about 15” tall and at about a 30° angle.  When closed and flush, how tall does it protrude on the outside roof and also on the interior ceiling?  

A fan in the roof seems like a “must have” in Texas to get some circulation.  You could probably fry bacon and eggs on the roof in the summer.
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Reply #52 - 01/26/25 at 07:52:33
 
ThumperPaul wrote on 01/26/25 at 06:26:55:
I’ll the first to admit that electrical stuff baffles me.  What does a “solar controller” do?  Simple English please.

Think of it as a solar battery charger plus management.
It charges the battery when the sun's out and it will yell at you when you've drained the battery.

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One thing about buying Chinese stuff on eBay or wherever is that the “Chinglish” descriptions are hard for me to comprehend, and if instructions are included with the item, those are even worse.

And most are written by people with only a basic understanding of english and no comprehension of technical terms.

A lot of these things are made by several mfg's and sold from thousands of vendors.  While some will have different features, they're all the same so you can find manuals from several sources and may be one that has decent english.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/ecodirect_docs/Solarland-USA/Solarland-USA-SLC-NR242...
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Reply #53 - 01/26/25 at 08:21:15
 
Thanks Verslagen.  You’re absolutely right about various sellers and the quality and readability of their instructions.

I’m still being dense about what the main function of a solar controller is.  Is it a fancy solar battery charger that monitors and regulates itself?

Seriously, I can be very dense!
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Reply #54 - 01/26/25 at 08:36:54
 
MMRanch wrote on 01/25/25 at 19:51:30:
Hay , I may be thinking ahead a bit ... considering I don't have a trailer to build yet , but I do have plenty of inverters !  


I'm looking at charge controllers and came across this one that looks a lot like the one Harbor Freight has but is a lot less money.  I know enough to think "when the seller says 100 Amps that is 100 amp at 12  volts  or 1200 watts?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/305757939694?_skw=600+watt+Solar+Panel+Battery+Charg...

What do you fellers have ?

I think it's the same one I have.

"when the seller says 100 Amps that is 100 amp at 12 volts  or 1200 watts?" I would think that too.

What you have to look for is what battery with what solar cells.

12v battery with 240w18v solar or 24v battery with 480w18v solar

The solar panels you'll probably find are 100 to 120 watt 12v panels, you can use 2 of those
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Reply #55 - 01/26/25 at 08:42:11
 
The Charge controller takes the power coming from the solar panels, and routes it into the battery.  It doesn't let the solar panel overcharge the batteries, and it provides a way for you to see what power is going into out of the battery.

This is a great video on how to size solar and what it does.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sG6bErD3ZFA



For me and mine - a solar panel would only be used to recharge the battery that is providing power for small 12V things in the camper.  Things like the roof vent fan, a 12V fridge, lights, charge my cell phone, power a diesel heater if I had one, or a 12V electric blanket (more on that later).

Making a camper that has solar ability to operate 110V appliances requires solar cells, a charge controller, a deep cell or Lithium battery, and a 12V/110V inverter....all of which gets to be pretty expensive and takes up a fair amount of room in the camper.  I watched some tests on YouTube that folks did, and a 100AMP/Hour battery running through an 12V/100V inverter will power a 5,000 btu air conditioner for about 3 hours.  Therefore the decision I have made - is that if I need 110V power to run things like a 110V heater, air conditioning, a microwave, etc. - that power is not going to come from a battery and a 12v/110V inverter....as that requires a lot of battery capacity and you will use up the power quickly.  If I need to run things that take a lot of power I am either going to plug into the supply provided by the campground (shore power) - or it is going to come from a small generator.  Large AC units on factory campers with electric water heaters, microwaves, etc. generally need 3,500 watt generators to get the AC unit started without overloading the generator.  Campers with small AC units can normally get buy with smaller 2,200-2,400 watt inverter generators that are far less noisy.  I already have a small 2,400 watt inverter/generator for use at home - so if I am going to a place I can't get 110V access I can take the generator.

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Reply #56 - 01/26/25 at 08:50:46
 
Thanks for the enlightenment!  I can now kinda follow this conversation about a solar controller and learn!
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Reply #57 - 01/26/25 at 09:00:20
 
I have watched a few videos about this blanket.  It is supposed to work very well for use when camping.  It only requires 50 watts to run, and that equates to about 24 hours for a 100 amp hour battery....about 3 nights of sleep.  If you have a small solar panel to recharge the battery each day - you might not need additional power supply.

The blanket works best if you put it under a very good wool blanket so that the heat stays with you - and does not just dissipate to the cold air inside the trailer.  It heats up slowly as it is low power - it doesn't do much good if you just lay it on your lap and expect to get warm.

https://www.amazon.com/Electric-Blanket-Tailgating-Emergency-Stalwart-BLACK/d...
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Reply #58 - 01/26/25 at 12:36:21
 
In our previous Greywolf toy hauler/camper and our current RV - the "off grid" power needs were supplied by a pair of 100 amp hour batteries and propane.  The camper had a pair of propane bottles and a single group 24 deep cell battery - the RV has a propane tank attached to the chassis and a pair of Group 24 batteries.  Both had a fresh water tank, grey water tank and a black tank.

When 110V power is not available, the 12V system powered the lights, vent fans and controls of the the appliances.  There was no inverter to convert the 12V to 110V, as those systems are not very efficient and it is better to just use the 12V power.  The fridge, water heater, stove/oven and furnace all used propane to operate.  The batteries could go for several days without needing charged - the propane tanks can go for several weeks.....we tend to travel when the weather is comfortable and we don't need a lot of heat or AC.

The message I am trying to convey here is that if you want all the comforts of home while traveling or camping - it takes more power than you are likely going to be able to provide with a solar panels and a battery or two.  Solar panels and a battery/inverter are likely going to be able to power some lights, a fridge and charge your phone - but not much else.  Running AC or heat from the battery is not sustainable.

My small motorcycle camper/trailer is set up as a fancy and comfortable tent - not much more.  The battery can power the little LED interior lights and the ceiling fan for a couple of nights.  I believe the fan will only be used to get a bit of air flow to cool the trailer down in the evening - then shut off for most of the night.  If I get into situation where I need more power to run the fan continuously or plug in an electric heater - I either need to go to a campground where I can plug in or take a generator.  At Two Wheels of Suches the campers in the parking area often run generators at night to run their AC - the parking area is located a good distance away from the campground so noise is not an issue.  Running a generator overnight is a problem if you are camped close to tents.  (The folks we bought the RV from told us they would run the generator for a few hours every 3-4 days to charge up the batteries - and they would do it in the afternoon when most folks were out hiking or on other adventures.  The onboard Onan generator is pretty loud if you are within 50' and your neighbors will be upset if you run it excessively).


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Reply #59 - 01/26/25 at 16:02:12
 
The MaxxAir sticks up just slightly more than 4-3/4" when it is closed.

The aluminum roofs get incredibly hot when in the direct sun.  Adding an inch of insulation helps considerably to slow the heat transfer down.  Some folks apply a white roof coating to reduce the temperature of the roof.

This photo shows my roof vent installed, and the tidy job I did applying the sealant to the vent.  If you look at the roof edges you can see the factory applied sealant at the edge of the roof is ugly.  They pour a wide bead of sealant along the edge and then "mush" it down with a spatula!  It really is ugly - I took a razor knife and trimmed down the parts that were overly thick and sticking up in the air.  The modern trailer makers are really in a hurry and not too worried about perfection!
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