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thumperclone Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline PGR rider riding with respect Posts: 6442 Grand Junction Colorado Gender:	Re: What I'm hoping for Reply #15 - 01/12/25 at 14:53:46 two decades ago while living in Florida there was a bumper sticker: "s::t happens" the court decided to outlaw it because it was in "bad taste" the 1st amendment has limits some will say we have to protect the children like the book banners say
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Re: What I'm hoping for
Reply #17 - 01/13/25 at 00:30:59

thumperclone wrote on 01/12/25 at 14:53:46:

two decades ago while living in Florida there was a bumper sticker:

"s::t happens"

the court decided to outlaw it because it was in "bad taste"
the 1st amendment has limits

some will say we have to protect the children like the book banners say

Graphic sexualized books in elementary school
You know that
Grow up

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Reply #18 - 01/13/25 at 06:42:00

Eegore wrote on 01/12/25 at 13:47:09:

"... - because they have no obligation to protect your 1st Amendment rights. ..."

Please explain why a PRIVATE Business was fined

"... the U.S. Supreme Court in 2018 for refusing to make a wedding cake for a same-sex couple violated the state's anti-discrimination law by refusing to make a birthday cake for a trans woman, a state judge has ruled."

"... anti-discrimination laws are intended to ensure that members of our society who have historically been treated unfairly, who have been deprived of even the every-day right to access businesses to buy products ..."

"... Radical activists and government officials are targeting artists like Jack ..."

"... "This is about a business that is open to the public that simply says to an entire class of people in the community that your identity, who you are, is something that is objectional," ..."

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JOG Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1621 Longview, Texas Gender:	Re: What I'm hoping for Reply #19 - 01/13/25 at 07:11:06 because they have no obligation to protect your 1st Amendment rights The goobs have EVERY obligation to Not ask them to violate our rights
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Reply #20 - 01/13/25 at 09:47:45

Please explain why a PRIVATE Business was fined

Why don't you explain how any of those businesses were punished in court for not protecting a customer's 1st Amendment rights. You provide anti-discrimination laws, none of which require Facebook to protect your 1st Amendment rights.

I am saying nobody should be suing FB for not protecting their 1st Amendment rights, nor should FB be prosecuted by the US government for not protecting your 1st Amendment rights. There should be no expectation that FB protect your 1st Amendment rights.

FB has no obligation to protect your 1st Amendment rights.

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Reply #21 - 01/13/25 at 09:49:23

The goobs have EVERY obligation to Not ask them to violate our rights

Except Facebook is not a Government owned public forum, so you have no "rights" to be using Facebook's private property. That's like saying this forum is violating your rights if a moderator bans you because the Government asked them to.

So what "rights" do you have to use Facebook? And in what capacity is FB "violating our rights"?

In order for FB to "violate our rights" they must have a legal obligation to protect them. Do they?

Facebook has no obligation to allow you to use their private property. How many times has Facebook been prosecuted by the millions of banned accounts for violating their customer's "rights" to use Facebook's private property? Zero. Because FB has no obligation to protect your 1st Amendment rights.

The Government is in violation, not Facebook.

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JOG Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1621 Longview, Texas Gender:	Re: What I'm hoping for Reply #22 - 01/13/25 at 10:06:39 Government is in violation, not Facebook. Back to top Good for you,, you figure it out. FB and others are victims. And also the bad guys The goobs, everyone involved, need pain. If you hire a hit man, who goes to jail? Both
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Reply #23 - 01/13/25 at 10:15:40

Good for you,, you figure it out.

You have not.

FB and others are victims. And also the bad guys
The goobs, everyone involved, need pain.

The problem is it is not illegal for FB to prohibit you from using their property. They never agreed to murder, or anything that is illegal. What law did FB violate?

If a moderator here voluntarily bans you from this forum, should the forum owner and moderator "feel pain" for violating your rights? If so what right do you have to use this forum?

If you hire a hit man, who goes to jail?
Both

Agreed, because killing a human is not preventing someone from using your private property. Your comparison is poor.

If the Government asks you to keep woke Liberals from going to your home, are you "violating their rights" when you do that? Should you "feel pain" for that?

The Government has no business asking you to do that, but it is completely legal for you to control your private property. Right?

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JOG Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1621 Longview, Texas Gender:	Re: What I'm hoping for Reply #24 - 01/13/25 at 11:30:02 We've done it before You're still wrong
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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28978 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: What I'm hoping for Reply #25 - 01/13/25 at 11:41:20 If you pay a lawyer to pay-off a porn star, he goes to jail and you don't If you pay an accountant to cook yer books, he goes to jail and you don't If you incite an insurrection, they go to jail and you don't You go to the White House
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Eegore Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 8741	Re: What I'm hoping for Reply #26 - 01/13/25 at 11:45:43 We've done it before You're still wrong If a moderator here voluntarily bans you from this forum, should the forum owner and moderator "feel pain" for violating your rights? If so what right do you have to use this forum? Just because you don't like it doesn't make it illegal or a "violation of our rights".
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Reply #27 - 01/13/25 at 15:11:13

Serowbot wrote on 01/13/25 at 11:41:20:

If you pay a lawyer to pay-off a porn star, he goes to jail and you don't
If you pay an accountant to cook yer books, he goes to jail and you don't
If you incite an insurrection, they go to jail and you don't

You go to the White House

If you’re Joe Biden, you sell your office to the Chinese and Ukrainians for millions and you don’t go to jail…in fact, nothing happens to you.

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Reply #28 - 01/13/25 at 15:16:57

And I’m not 100% sure Facebook is under no legal obligation to protect first amendment rights by claiming they’re a private company and participation is voluntary so they are free to do what they want.

I seem to recall a case was decided that if you have a regular space at work where you keep your personal items such as in the top right hand drawer and all the parties involved know this is your personal space, there was a fourth amendment issue when the company gave permission to law-enforcement to search that employees personal space.

Maybe there’s more to it than that, but I can imagine a lawyer would be able to make a pretty compelling case that Facebook censoring your post for political reasons, especially when it was at the request of the government is in fact, a violation of your first amendment rights.

I don’t think it’s as cut and dry as you’re making it out to be.

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MnSpring Serious Thumper Offline Younger than most people my age. Posts: 9654 Minn Gender:	Re: What I'm hoping for Reply #29 - 01/13/25 at 15:32:26 Eegore wrote on 01/13/25 at 11:45:43: *"... violating your rights? ..."* Great ! When I open the PRIVATE, shooting range. And only allow, White Skin and Conservative people to shoot there. You will defend me when I get sued by someone, because I, violated their, "rights".
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