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Reply #30 - 12/16/24 at 13:19:59
 
The insidious nature of the toxicity of The Industrialized Society isn't something many people engage in Thought Experiments about. Because of how society works, families grow away from their core. Young people move away from their parents and grandparents, cutting themselves off from the Wisdom of the Ages. To climb the corporate ladder, or to go out in the world, to try to make their mark. Hop in the WayBack machine and see families living on Their Land. Kids,grown up, mom and dad, Gramma and Grampa, multi generations, and the knowledge that is available to the youth,, good stuff. Well, unless someone Got Woke. Then it all goes to schitt.
The ubiquitous lightbulb. WE can decide when, or if, it gets dark. The subtle effects of going against our own circadian rhythm aren't obvious, in part because nobody knows anyone who lives Naturally, so seeing the effects of Not living in accordance with Nature isn't happening.
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Reply #31 - 12/16/24 at 13:57:01
 
JOG wrote on 12/16/24 at 13:19:59:
The subtle effects of going against our own circadian rhythm aren't obvious, in part because nobody knows anyone who lives Naturally, so seeing the effects of Not living in accordance with Nature isn't happening.


I think those effects are visible.

In ourselves as uncertainty, despair, unrest, depression, anger, indecisiveness, constant thinking, despair etc. And in the outside world as all forms of injustice, war and abuse etc.

We just started to take it for granted.

But it is the effect of forgetting what your first nature is.
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Reply #32 - 12/16/24 at 14:25:00
 
I think those effects are visible.
You've Thought about it. The average person doesn't.
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Reply #33 - 12/16/24 at 14:25:03
 
I am not denying negative affects from technology and how we’ve changed our lifestyles over the ages. As someone who has traveled for the better part of 35 years, I’ve seen the significant difference in something as simple as a hotel bar. Decades ago, everybody sat and talked to the stranger next to them and made their new 60 minute best friend. I still remember people from 20 or 30 years ago like this. Now, the hotel bar frequented by business travelers often, not always, but often, looks like a church with everyone head’s bowed in prayer.

But secondly, I’m not neglecting the amazing advantages from technology. And if people didn’t pack up and move away, we would all be isolated on the East Coast. My daughter lives 1000 miles away from me and it’s no fun, but she is creating her own life, her own story. The world needs people like that.

And I’m sorry, but the gravitational effect of the planets has zero influence on any person. I’m not an engineer, and certainly not an aerospace engineer, but I’ve been in technical industries all my whole life, and I’ve gathered enough information over the years that I could easily pass as an engineer. And I know enough to know, from a mathematical point of view, the planets can line up all they want, but the gravitational effect on a human is as close to zero as a number can be.

Again, that’s not to say, nature doesn’t influence us directly, or even subliminally, because I’m sure that it does.
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Reply #34 - 12/16/24 at 17:53:51
 
My mom was a dispatcher for a small town police department in Oklahoma. She told me that the calls increased in number and in Weirdness every full moon. I've talked to people about that because I thought it was BS. I talked to someone who was also a dispatcher. She agreed. It doesn't seem possible to me. I've never seen it in my life, but there are people who are, apparently, affected.
I'm not standing on that, because it just doesn't Seem reasonable, but why would my mom pump a load of crap? And why did the other woman agree? Mehh,, I dunno.
It would be interesting to see the call logs over a span of time and see if there is a variation in number of calls and the reasons and see if they correlate to the moon.
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Reply #35 - 12/16/24 at 20:07:04
 
Full Moon, Crescent Moon, new Moon, it doesn’t matter. The moon is still there. The mass of the moon is what creates gravity not what you can see because it happens to be at an angle where light is reflecting back to you.

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Reply #36 - 12/16/24 at 20:24:16
 
I get it. I'm not convinced either. I totally agree that the moon ,as important as it is for life on earth, because of how it affects the oceans, doesn't have any Discernible effect on Me. And yet, I've had a whopping Two reports from dispatchers that says it matters.

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There is no scientific evidence to support the idea that the full moon has any direct effect on human behavior or mood123. In fact, multiple scientific studies have failed to find any significant correlation between the full moon cycle and human behavior3. The only exception is sleep, as participants slept five fewer minutes on nights when the moon was full2. The belief that the full moon causes mental or physical changes in human behavior is a popular legend4.
Learn more

It's the Dammo Werewolf movies, man!
Well,,
participants slept five fewer minutes on nights when the moon was full..
Just exactly how much chaos can a guy create in five lousy minnits?
Well, Lon Cheney was a master,,
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Reply #37 - 12/17/24 at 01:34:35
 
I still want noon to be at the moment when the sun is at its highest.
It is not for nothing that we have had a pause then since ancient times. It is a moment where we can come into contact with the subtle forces within us, a kind of portal.

We now do all kinds of things based on ideas and desires that we have and that is usually what drives us.

But it is a filter. If you take a moment and sit quietly in nature, you will quickly see that all those thoughts dissolve. There is still a thinking mind left, but then you see that it disturbs you.

It is possible to calm the mind, but it can also dissolve completely. These are what we call spiritual experiences because the filter falls away and suddenly you experience who you really are. You experience your first nature.

We have all had such an experience at some point, and it is enormously refreshing. Just like a night's sleep is refreshing.

Now it is so that everything around us the trees the animals the cosmos all live in this state of refreshment. Except man. because he has the filter of thinking that he has come to believe that he is.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with technology and modern comfort. But without feeling that subtle power within us we are unhappy and we know no satisfaction and we experience a lack and we want to fill that. We are not grounded.
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Reply #38 - 12/17/24 at 03:36:14
 
Our point of views are not very far apart. I’ve been fortunate the last couple of years to go on some amazing off-road motorcycle trips through the Colorado mountains. The great thing about a trip like that is you can’t get there in a car so you get to see things other people never see and some of those images are locked in my brain forever. I saw the total eclipse this year, which is the second time I’ve seen that and it’s been a borderline spiritual experience both times.

I went camping a few weeks ago with my brother on a motorcycle trip. We camped next to a spring fed river in the southern Missouri Ozarks and the temperature dropped near freezing. That was unexpected and we weren’t prepared. The ground was too cold so I got up a couple hours before sunrise sat in a chair with my sleeping bag over the top of me. I’m sure I looked like a teepee or something! I couldn’t go back to sleep but I just listened to everything going on as a new day began.

Those are the experiences you’re talking about and you’re correct, they are somewhat spiritual. They are a grounding in a sense. There is no cell phone coverage, there are no people around, we slept on the gravel by the river so the bikes were left 100 yards away, so we couldn’t even see them.
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Reply #39 - 12/17/24 at 03:38:18
 
JOG wrote on 12/16/24 at 20:24:16:
I get it. I'm not convinced either. I totally agree that the moon ,as important as it is for life on earth, because of how it affects the oceans, doesn't have any Discernible effect on Me. And yet, I've had a whopping Two reports from dispatchers that says it matters.

A Very quick search

There is no scientific evidence to support the idea that the full moon has any direct effect on human behavior or mood123. In fact, multiple scientific studies have failed to find any significant correlation between the full moon cycle and human behavior3. The only exception is sleep, as participants slept five fewer minutes on nights when the moon was full2. The belief that the full moon causes mental or physical changes in human behavior is a popular legend4.
Learn more

It's the Dammo Werewolf movies, man!
Well,,
participants slept five fewer minutes on nights when the moon was full..
Just exactly how much chaos can a guy create in five lousy minnits?
Well, Lon Cheney was a master,,


I wonder if the experience of those dispatchers and other reports are easily explainable: because a full moon provides more light, there’s more nefarious activities or just more people out enjoying the view, which statistically creates more incidents. Maybe it’s something as simple as that, I don’t know.
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Reply #40 - 12/17/24 at 04:37:44
 
[quote author=485744575C575C5740555B57320 link=1734177981/30#37 date=1734428075]I still want noon to be at the moment when the sun is at its highest.


noon "time" will change daily and season to season

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Reply #41 - 12/17/24 at 04:58:39
 
noon "time" will change daily and season to season
Says TC..


not quite,Says I

Noon in solar time occurs when the sun is at its highest point in the sky for the day, and it is either due south or due north of the observer depending on the latitude.
The Location of the sun ,In the sky,it's Highest point, changes,
The Time it is at its highest point is Solar noon.



That happens at the same Time, just the elevation above the horizon changes.
The seasons don't change When solar noon is.
Just where the sun is above the horizon.



Some globes have a weird looking 8 on them. It's a graph of the suns path, if you took the location of the sun at noon every day for a year.


An analemma is a diagram that shows the annual variation of the Sun's position on the celestial sphere, relative to its mean position, as seen from a fixed location on Earth. (The word analemma is also occasionally, but rarely, used in other contexts.) It can be considered as an image of the Sun's apparent motion during a year, which resembles a figure-8. An analemma can be pictured by superimposing photographs taken at the same time of day, a few days apart for a year.
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Reply #42 - 12/17/24 at 09:57:43
 
time on the clock will not be the same...
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