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Reply #15 - 12/02/24 at 20:00:42

Fascinating posts! I look forward to seeing where it goes. Good on you for trying to define your terms, which is essential to any exchange.

Sadly, an almost universal feature of our time is the muddling and redefining of words and terms to win or to shift the debate, rather than to seek truth. It has become hard to find logical consistency and clear meaning, never mind common ground with even those of good will with whom we disagree.

I look forward to hearing more.

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thumperclone Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline PGR rider riding with respect Posts: 6374 Grand Junction Colorado Gender:	Re: I know, it's not mainstream media Reply #16 - 12/03/24 at 04:07:50 MnSpring wrote on 12/02/24 at 18:06:24: thumperclone wrote on 12/02/24 at 14:00:49: *"... nonexistent proof ..."* LOLOLOPLOLOLO Just have to read your drive by's !!!!! *"... conservative liberal ..."* Explain what that is. not radical
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Reply #17 - 12/03/24 at 04:50:40

Alzuki wrote on 12/02/24 at 20:00:42:

Fascinating posts! I look forward to seeing where it goes. Good on you for trying to define your terms, which is essential to any exchange.

Sadly, an almost universal feature of our time is the muddling and redefining of words and terms to win or to shift the debate, rather than to seek truth. It has become hard to find logical consistency and clear meaning, never mind common ground with even those of good will with whom we disagree.

I look forward to hearing more.

Viva Christo Rey!

It's crazy how much "sexist" and "racist" and other terms such as this are thrown around nowadays.

Being a devout Catholic makes me hated by many. Yes, the priesthood is men only, no that isn't sexist. Yes, men and women have separate roles. No, that isn't sexist. Yes, abortion is murder, no that isn't "anti-women".

Don't want millions of unchecked immigrations crossing the border? Racist! It's honestly hilarious.

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Eegore Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 8719	Re: I know, it's not mainstream media Reply #18 - 12/03/24 at 06:30:18 Yes, the priesthood is men only, no that isn't sexist. How is this not sexist by definition? I have a friend who teaches a womens only yoga class. That's sexist right?
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Reply #19 - 12/03/24 at 06:53:31

Eegore wrote on 12/03/24 at 06:30:18:

Yes, the priesthood is men only, no that isn't sexist.

How is this not sexist by definition? I have a friend who teaches a womens only yoga class. That's sexist right?

No, a woman's only yoga class is not sexist. I personally wish gyms were still segregated by gender. I would prefer a male only gym. However, I think the opposite would be more common. Plenty of women would love a women's only gym. It is not sexist.

It is not sexist because men and women are different. It is not sexist to say only women can give birth. It is not sexist to say that only men have a prostate.

Restricting the priesthood to men does not demean women in anyway. The Priest has his role. The husband has his role. The monk has his role. The wife has her role. The religious sister has her role. The consecrated virgin has her role. These are not sexist claims. The claim that Catholicism is sexist is founded in nonsense. Women were the first to see the Risen Jesus. Jesus forgave the prostitute at the well. Jesus stopped some men from stoning an adulterous woman. If that is sexist by your definition, then oh well. I simply won't give a nuts.

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Reply #20 - 12/03/24 at 07:58:09

No, a woman's only yoga class is not sexist. I personally wish gyms were still segregated by gender. I would prefer a male only gym. However, I think the opposite would be more common. Plenty of women would love a women's only gym. It is not sexist.

Ok so it seems you are considering the "prejudice" part of sexist by definition to mean exclusively a negative versus a non-negotiable stance. That makes sense as by most modern usage of the word sexist, it's exclusively negative. Maybe a better term for my usage is segregated.

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JOG Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1483 Longview, Texas Gender:	Re: I know, it's not mainstream media Reply #21 - 12/03/24 at 13:28:22 People should be able to choose their environment. If they prefer men only, that should be okay with everyone. Co-Ed? If that is your choice? Great. What's all the HubBub,Bub?
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Reply #22 - 12/04/24 at 09:49:09

I am new to this discussion, so please forgive me but here goes:

I would say that both "sexist" and "segregation" are terms used to manipulate reality and justify faddish ideas of how malcontent change agents wish the world to be. Discourse becomes polarized by redefining words, and that's the point. As good as many of their intentions may be, they are literally stealers of meaning.

Take the word "tolerance." Children in school now learn that it means "celebrate difference" but it never meant this. Tolerance is a measurement of error up-with-which we are willing to put! We on this forum are all at least interested in mechanics; am I not right that tolerance, thus contrived, would harm our motorcycles? This is an attempt to turn an error into a good!

Why do we think humans are better off avoiding truth and preferring error? An error we would not accept for our motorcycles? How did we forget what words actually mean? We should question the fads and mantras of our social noisemakers.

What TheBabyDerp is describing is in fact how the world is. Not pejorative or cynical, just true. If true we can either rail against it to our detriment, or we can embrace it with gratitude to our infinite betterment. This is all that the Catholic Church has always tried to teach (until recently! but that's another topic.)

This is just the beginning or a very long road. It may be too much to hope, but I hope this helps making sense out of the cloud of confusion to which we have all become accustomed, largely through no fault of our own, nevertheless to our great detriment! Meaning always comes from truth. Falsehood always hurts people.

Find the truth; conform your life to it!

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JOG Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1483 Longview, Texas Gender:	Re: I know, it's not mainstream media Reply #23 - 12/07/24 at 18:22:30 Just having a look at threads. Such a well thought out response shouldn't go unrecognized. I agree.
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