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Reply #15 - 11/25/24 at 19:49:40
 

You do YOU, so well !

 I do.  It is a human opinion that a human does YOU so well.  The previous sentence indicates an human opinion.

 Reference for human opinion:

o·pin·ion
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"I'm writing to voice my opinion on an issue of great importance" · "that, in my opinion, is dead right"
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 The previous reference indicates this post is a human opinion.

 
 My Observed Reality is that the government there is less active in suppressing medical opinion.  It is an opinion that a government is less active in suppressing medical opinion.  Reference for opinion follows:

o·pin·ion
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a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge:
"I'm writing to voice my opinion on an issue of great importance" · "that, in my opinion, is dead right"
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belief
judgment
thought(s)
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the beliefs or views of a large number or majority of people about a particular thing:
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an estimation of the quality or worth of someone or something:
"I had a higher opinion of myself than I deserved"
a formal statement of advice by an expert on a professional matter:
"seeking a second opinion from a specialist"

 This post indicates a human opinion.  Reference for human opinion:

o·pin·ion
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a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge:
"I'm writing to voice my opinion on an issue of great importance" · "that, in my opinion, is dead right"
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belief
judgment
thought(s)
school of thought

the beliefs or views of a large number or majority of people about a particular thing:
"the changing climate of opinion"
(opinion of)
an estimation of the quality or worth of someone or something:
"I had a higher opinion of myself than I deserved"
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"seeking a second opinion from a specialist"


 This post is an opinion.
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Reply #18 - 12/02/24 at 12:00:05
 

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/covid-vax-deaths-vs-covid-deaths/

 Anyone that can do basic math would Observe that with Billions vaccinated at this point, if the vaccine was killing more than actual Covid we'd have Hundreds of Millions dead by now.

 But if we refuse to Observe it, then that Observed Reality there are millions upon millions of dead.  Insurance companies said so.
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Reply #19 - 12/02/24 at 19:33:54
 
Interesting conversation!

Questions: Didn't the insurance companies observe a bigger spike in deaths AFTER the vaccines were rolled out? And didn't undertakers everywhere pull huge and unnatural clots out of the dead, again, after the jab? And didn't hundreds of young fit athletes drop dead of post-jab myocarditis? Aren't all these unprecedented?

I won't try to answer these questions here. I would only humbly suggest that, where the data exists but is being ignored, these questions, and others like them, need a lot more than snopes to settle them.
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Reply #20 - 12/02/24 at 21:18:45
 
Questions: Didn't the insurance companies observe a bigger spike in deaths AFTER the vaccines were rolled out?

 No, but lying headlines said so.  Once the data was looked into it was nothing more than UK mortality rates with an altered chart headline.  Life Insurance companies do not require, or even ask for, the vaccination status of those they pay for, so that metric is pretty much impossible for them to know.  


And didn't undertakers everywhere pull huge and unnatural clots out of the dead, again, after the jab?

 No.  "Everywhere" however is a term that is undefined for this conversation.  There was an increase in clots, but not broadly reported in the US.  The clot percentage increase was higher, but the overall percentage of clots in overall deceased was low.  It's definitely an issue, but nowhere near 1.3 million per year as was repeatedly posted here.  One has to take into account the increase in autopsies, how many existed that were never found?


 And didn't hundreds of young fit athletes drop dead of post-jab myocarditis? Aren't all these unprecedented?  

 Not that are documented very well if it did happen.  Heart complications has been the number one killer in youth due to health issues for decades.  This is conveniently overlooked when addressed by vaccine alarmists.  Also hundreds of MRI's done in 2019 on college athletes showed heart inflammation among many athletes, this also, somehow, was is blamed on the vaccine - even on this forum I've been asked why those MRI scans "don't' apply" to vaccine deaths.  

 The myocarditis increase appears to be mostly from Moderna in males under 40.  What I would look for given hundreds of kids supposedly died is where are these dead kids families, school memorials in yearbooks, obituaries, medical records, etc.  There's not many, if any,  communities reporting an influx of dead kids, which I would expect to see if there were hundreds of kids dying.  

 The real numbers are hard to pin down, there never has been a universal reporting system.  Was there an increase?  Very likely, but not so much that it can be easily calculated, thus the abundance of exaggerated or lying metrics.
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Reply #21 - 12/03/24 at 03:25:21
 
Eegore wrote on 12/02/24 at 12:00:05:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/covid-vax-deaths-vs-covid-deaths/

 Anyone that can do basic math would Observe that with Billions vaccinated at this point, if the vaccine was killing more than actual Covid we'd have Hundreds of Millions dead by now.

 But if we refuse to Observe it, then that Observed Reality there are millions upon millions of dead.  Insurance companies said so.





you can pretend that there were no abuses with the official registration of covid deaths.

But I do not participate in denial and do not let myself be intimidated by so-called official data.

Because among them were also many people who died from the side effects and from the treatment itself. At the time, much that turned out to be disadvantageous to the vaccine was written off as a cause of death due to covid.

But people who died of flu were also added to the covid deaths in order to inflate the figures in order to sell the vaccine.

And let us not forget that there was already a patent for the covid vaccine on the shelf well before the covid period. And that there was an action plan ready in case of a major epidemic (all arranged by the globalist movement)

And let's talk about the 1000 other abuses surrounding covid.

If you then look at the mass intimidation of both the medical world and the population, then you can safely speak of the crime of the century.
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Reply #22 - 12/03/24 at 03:44:20
 
Two things can be true at the same time.

1) The Covid vaccine did not cause a significant increase in death strictly due to the effects of the Covid vaccine. (Define signifiant, however, you want to define it, but you have to justify your definition.

2) There was and continues to be, an unknown number of deaths of people who died WITH Covid, (those who would have died anyway) as opposed to DUE TO Covid. As such, the exact number of deaths caused strictly by Covid will never be known, it can only be estimated. How accurately (and your definition of accuracy) is the question.
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Reply #23 - 12/03/24 at 06:11:47
 

you can pretend that there were no abuses with the official registration of covid deaths.

 So can you.  I never said, or used, Official registration of Covid deaths in my assessments.  That won't stop people from lying and saying that I did though, even after admitting they never even bothered to look at any of it.  



Because among them were also many people who died from the side effects and from the treatment itself. At the time, much that turned out to be disadvantageous to the vaccine was written off as a cause of death due to covid.

 The problem here is the reliability of such data.  Your "proof" of graphene in the vaccine is an example.  The only remotely reliable method is to look at rates of death, overall, before and after the vaccine.  But for some reason some members say the numbers before the vaccine "doesn't matter".  Really?  There are more deaths after, but we don't use "before" to calculate that?   1+1=2, but in this case we are to believe ???+1=Millions dead.



And let us not forget that there was already a patent for the covid vaccine on the shelf well before the covid period.

 Misleading.  There were MRNA patents but no Covid19 specific patents.  The "patent race" for the C-19 specific vaccine is very well documented and studied.  One of the components of that is the multiple lying articles chopping up other patents and falsely adding in Covid 19 to the phrasing.



And that there was an action plan ready in case of a major epidemic (all arranged by the globalist movement)

 Of course there was.  There have been action plans for mass disease mitigation since the 30's.  Technically since the Black Plague.  People will try to make money on it.



And let's talk about the 1000 other abuses surrounding covid.

 And also the abuses of blatantly lying sources of the vaccine like "proof" of graphene in the vaccine that was nothing more than a description of a slide on an electron microscope, or the 8 Million dead kids in 2021, the millions of miscarriages, thousands of disabled military per-day, Comirnaty as a compound not a name, mass FEMA executions, human burn pits, vaccines causing spontaneous combustion, etc, etc.


 Abuse is on both sides.  We have to filter the lies on both ends.  Instead I see a lot of one-sided scrutiny.
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Reply #24 - 12/03/24 at 06:21:52
 
Two things can be true at the same time.

 Are you sure?  There's some members here that don't seem to grasp that concept.  


1) The Covid vaccine did not cause a significant increase in death strictly due to the effects of the Covid vaccine. (Define signifiant, however, you want to define it, but you have to justify your definition.

2) There was and continues to be, an unknown number of deaths of people who died WITH Covid, (those who would have died anyway) as opposed to DUE TO Covid. As such, the exact number of deaths caused strictly by Covid will never be known, it can only be estimated. How accurately (and your definition of accuracy) is the question.



 Agreed.  There's bias on both ends for sure.  The problem I have is lying that the CDC "said" to code deaths a certain way when they never did.  That's emotional reinforcement, not truth.  

 Acknowledging the truth of what the CDC guidance really says does not mean there was no abuse of statistics.  But some humans fail to understand that they can be lied to about what the CDC guidance is, and also, the coding methods can be abused to skew reported numbers.  They will argue this for years but never use the actual CDC documents as evidence, which should say something right there.

 The reporting methods are poor all around (Official metrics and also VAERS for instance) because of all the variables of classifying death and the zero verification of many reports.  So we have to calculate the percentages of confirmed deaths and see what those demographics are.

 Is there a higher percentage of dead kids after vaccinations?  Adults 18-30?  30-40? etc.  That is at least verifiable and a decent start.
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Reply #25 - 12/03/24 at 09:15:20
 
And let us not forget that there was already a patent for the covid vaccine on the shelf well before the covid period.

Misleading.  There were MRNA patents but no Covid19 specific patents.  The "patent race" for the C-19 specific vaccine is very well documented and studied.  One of the components of that is the multiple lying articles chopping up other patents and falsely adding in Covid 19 to the phrasing.


I looked it up:

The COVID-19 pandemic officially began in December 2019, when an unusual lung disease was noted in the city of Wuhan, China. The World Health Organization (WHO) declared the outbreak a pandemic on March 11, 2020.


Origin of SARS-CoV-2:

There is no conclusive evidence that the SARS-CoV-2 virus (COVID-19) existed in a laboratory before the outbreak. Most scientists believe that the virus was transmitted from nature (probably from bats) to humans, possibly via an intermediary such as another animal (for example, a wild animal traded in a market in Wuhan).

However, there has been much speculation about the possibility of a lab leak, especially around the Wuhan Institute of Virology, which is known for its research on coronaviruses in bats. However, no direct evidence has been found that SARS-CoV-2 accidentally escaped from a laboratory. The majority of scientists believe it is more likely that the virus was transmitted to humans via a natural route.

Of course, these are purely the data that have been presented via official channels. And why should we doubt the globalist movement (black rock) that is not only government but also big pharma. Roll Eyes

My position is that covid was among other things an exercise in obedience and a means to adjust laws and give NGOs a stronger legal basis as policy prescribers for governments and also to give those governments more power over the people.

Which, by the way, has been perfectly successful.

I almost forgot, Normally it takes 10 to 15 years for a vaccine to come to market.
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Reply #26 - 12/03/24 at 09:38:15
 
Part of the thousand other questionable things:



Hot off the press.

https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/12.04.2024-SSCP-FINAL-...

This is the first comment in this government report:



This hole report is of course meant to close the case and not to reveal how deep the rabbit hole is.
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Reply #27 - 12/03/24 at 10:41:16
 
I looked it up:

 And presented nothing that addresses the portion of my post you quoted.




I almost forgot, Normally it takes 10 to 15 years for a vaccine to come to market.

 Come to market is not equal to patent existing.  Your claim is the patent for the vaccine existed before "the covid period".  None of your response addresses this .  MRNA patents existed, not the "covid vaccine on the shelf" as you put it.

 There is no evidence, including what you posted here, that shows the "on the shelf" covid vaccine was patented "well before" Covid19 existed.  this should be very easy to prove.  Simply pull any of the hundreds of thousands of internet archives, which by the way was done many times.  There is no patent evidence except those that were altered.

 And that right there is the problem.  Using an unrelated real issue, like exercise in obedience to also claim completely false information is true.  The willingness to repeat lies online is also an experiment in obedience.

 Your response is also an example of one-sided scrutiny of evidence.  



 
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Reply #28 - 12/03/24 at 11:12:14
 
you have not watched an alternative news channel in your entire life. but only listen to the official channels.
And you do not look at the links. has historiy proven, so what do you expect from me? That I will spend hours searching to find out what big tech is hiding as much as possible on the internet. No thanks I have better things to do.
The above that I have shards comes from official channels and is already enough indication for someone who is all-round read.

Unfortunately your opinion is one-sided.
Good luck with it.

You are already a dinausar.
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Reply #29 - 12/03/24 at 12:06:42
 
btw I had to watch police academy one after this discussion to remember why I love america.(so much)
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