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Re: I get by with a little help from my friends…
Reply #15 - 08/19/24 at 12:06:26
 
First ULR simply describes what 'abuse and neglect' are.
Next ULR is about a child's 'Protection' from Abuse.
Next ULR I get "Hrm. The Wayback Machine has not archived that URL."
 When I follow the, suggested ULR I get; "No URL has been captured for this URL prefix.

"On the last ULR, below is in a nutshell what it says:


"...UNENFORCEABLE SUBPOENAS.

(a) No subpoena shall be issued and no foreign subpoena shall be recognized in this state in a criminal or civil matter if the subpoena is related to a violation of another state's laws when the other state's laws are designed to interfere with an individual's right to receive gender-affirming health care. Failure to comply with a subpoena seeking information related to a person or entity allowing or assisting a child or an adult to receive gender-affirming health care when the information is being requested to enforce another state's laws that allow a civil or criminal action to be brought against a person for allowing or providing gender-affirming health care must not be the basis for contempt under section 588.01.

(b) "Gender-affirming health care" means medically necessary health care or mental health care that respects the gender identity of the patient, as experienced and defined by the patient, and that may include but is not limited to:

(1) interventions to suppress the development of endogenous secondary sex
characteristics;

(2) interventions to align the patient's appearance or physical body with the patient's gender identity;

(3) interventions to alleviate the patient's symptoms of clinically significant distress resulting from gender dysphoria as defined in the current version of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders; and

(4) developmentally appropriate exploration and integration of the patient's gender identity, reduction of the patient's distress, adaptive coping, and strategies to increase family acceptance of the patient's gender identity...."

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Reply #16 - 08/19/24 at 13:18:12
 

First ULR simply describes what 'abuse and neglect' are.


 Yes.  This outlines what MN can actually begin removing parental rights for.


Next ULR is about a child's 'Protection' from Abuse.

 Yes, this is where the first URL gets it's guidelines from specific to removing parental care.


Next ULR I get "Hrm. The Wayback Machine has not archived that URL."

 Incorrect link.


On the last ULR, below is in a nutshell what it says:

 And what part of that allows children to have gender surgery/care without parental consent?  Where is the text stating MN is ordering medical staff to act without informing parents, "And BLOCKING, Parents,etc from having any say".


 The claim, as presented on this forum, that kids can go to MN and get medical gender-affirming care without parental consent is a lie.  It heavily implies this applies universally and is contained within the new law.  Nothing in the new law does this.  You were lied to.

 I prefer to discuss the implication of the law as written.  I'd prefer truth over the misrepresentations of people repeating what they were TOLD to say.
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Re: I get by with a little help from my friends…
Reply #17 - 08/19/24 at 15:26:35
 
Eegore wrote on 08/19/24 at 13:18:12:
"...  what part of that allows children to have gender surgery/care without parental consent?..."


This from NPR (Well Known Army of the UL, DFI, FDS, Woke Socialists) says

"...This year, at least 12 states have passed legislation to limit or ban gender-affirming health care for young people, ..."

At the same time, Colorado, Illinois, Maryland, New Mexico and Minnesota have passed bills designed to shield transgender health care through legal protections, health care coverage and access. Friday, the Minnesota legislature passed protections for youth and parents who seek health care and for the providers that give it. Gov. Tim Walz, who championed the bill, says he will sign it...."


More from 'mprnews.org'

"...“Forced detransition is a violence against my community that I can barely begin to imagine. That is what is happening in states across America,” bill author Rep. Leigh Finke, DFL-St. Paul, said. “To all those families across the United States that are afraid and wondering where they can go for help, Minnesota is saying we see you, we love you, and you belong here.”

"...Gov. Tim Walz earlier this month issued an executive order directing state agencies and officials not to comply with other state’s efforts to penalize out-of-state patients who travel to Minnesota to pursue gender-affirming care. ..."


"... Major health care providers (What about, 'Minor', health care providers ?) do not operate on people under 18. One bill signed into law protects youth access to those services discussed in broad terms, but doesn't address a specific age. (Huh, no age mentions, golly gee Wally)

"...such care is not limited to surgeries and includes many other treatments such as mental health services, puberty blockers and hormone therapies..."

"...  “would make Minnesota into a trans refuge state by protecting trans people, their families and medical practitioners from the legal repercussions of traveling to Minnesota to receive gender affirming care,” Finke said...."

"... Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, Vice President Kamala Harris’ running mate, signed legislation allowing Minnesota courts to take “temporary emergency jurisdiction” in a child custody case involving “gender-affirming” care...."

"...The law defines gender-affirming care as “medically necessary” care that can include aligning “the patient’s appearance … with the patient’s gender identity ..."

"... The law enables Minnesota to take temporary jurisdiction in a child custody dispute between parents in another state if one wants a child to obtain gender-affirming care in Minnesota ..."

Here is even more from;  www.msn.com/en-us/news

"...Vice President Kamala Harris’ newly announced running mate — Democratic Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz — signed a bill in April of 2023 allowing the state to make custody determinations if a child is denied access to sex-change procedures..."

"...The “Trans Refuge Bill” allows for “temporary emergency jurisdiction” if a parent denies their child sex-change procedures, according to the bill’s text. The bill defines the interventions, which include sex-changes, hormone replacement and cosmetic surgeries, as “medically necessary” so long as it “respects the gender identity of the patient, as experienced and defined” by the child...."

"... “In this state, hate has no home,” Walz said at the bill signing. “In this state, love and acceptance is what we preach.”   ..."

The legal description.

"Gender-affirming health care" means medically necessary health care or mental health care that respects the gender identity of the patient, as experienced and defined by the patient, and that may include but is not limited to:

(1) interventions to suppress the development of endogenous secondary sex
characteristics;

(2) interventions to align the patient's appearance or physical body with the patient's gender identity;

(3) interventions to alleviate the patient's symptoms of clinically significant distress resulting from gender dysphoria as defined in the current version of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders; and

(4) developmentally appropriate exploration and integration of the patient's gender identity, reduction of the patient's distress, adaptive coping, and strategies to increase family acceptance of the patient's gender identity...."


Eegore wrote on 08/19/24 at 13:18:12:
"... You were lied to ..."


So, all these ULTRA Liberal 'sites',
are ALL LYING ?







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Re: I get by with a little help from my friends…
Reply #18 - 08/19/24 at 16:16:12
 
So, all these ULTRA Liberal 'sites',
are ALL LYING ?


 No, they are claiming families as in children and the parents of those children can leave the State that bans gender affirming care and a child, with parental consent, can go to MN and get care.

 Nothing in the MN law allows for any additional freedoms to children in exclusivity as you claimed.  Nothing.  MN has parameters for assuming power of attorney (medical decisions) and those apply to all medical care, not just gender care, and nothing in the law expands the already established MN laws for revoking parental input and giving the decision making-solely to the child.



At the same time, Colorado, Illinois, Maryland, New Mexico and Minnesota have passed bills designed to shield transgender health care through legal protections, health care coverage and access. Friday, the Minnesota legislature passed protections for youth and parents who seek health care and for the providers that give it. Gov. Tim Walz, who championed the bill, says he will sign it...."


 Youth and Parents, not Youth and NO parents.



Major health care providers (What about, 'Minor', health care providers ?) do not operate on people under 18. One bill signed into law protects youth access to those services discussed in broad terms, but doesn't address a specific age. (Huh, no age mentions, golly gee Wally)


 Huh, also doesn't mention taking parental authority away, golly gee Wally.



"...  “would make Minnesota into a trans refuge state by protecting trans people, their families and medical practitioners from the legal repercussions of traveling to Minnesota to receive gender affirming care,” Finke said...."

 Nothing about removing parental authority.  I wonder who "families" are.


... The law enables Minnesota to take temporary jurisdiction in a child custody dispute between parents in another state if one wants a child to obtain gender-affirming care in Minnesota ..."

 This is the same temporary jurisdiction as the other standards, this is true and should be discussed.  It doesn't as you claimed, enact a process of BLOCKING, Parents,etc from having any say.


 That's not true, and not one of the sources you list here claim it to be true either.  This whole thing can be bad policy without adding in lies about kids going to MN and getting care while parents are BLOCKED.  That garbage doesn't need to be added in.
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Re: I get by with a little help from my friends…
Reply #19 - 08/19/24 at 20:42:59
 
Eegore wrote on 08/19/24 at 16:16:12:
"...  This whole thing can be bad policy without adding in lies about kids going to MN and getting care while parents are BLOCKED ..."


LOLOLOL
You do You, so well.

Walz is a UL, DFI, FDS, Socialist,
who will do anything he is told to do.
Then RUNS and HIDES from any confrontation.

Walz, has made Minn a Sanctuary State, for KIDS (who are NOT old enough to Vote, buy beer) that want their Tits/Dicks cut off.

And he has MANDATED, no out-state interference.

So play your game.
Don't care.





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Reply #20 - 08/20/24 at 05:52:23
 

LOLOLOL
You do You, so well.


 You must mean acknowledging when I am being lied to.  You claim parents are BLOCKED from transgender care decisions and the child gets to make the decisions.  This is a lie.  

 

Walz is a UL, DFI, FDS, Socialist,
who will do anything he is told to do.
Then RUNS and HIDES from any confrontation.

Walz, has made Minn a Sanctuary State, for KIDS (who are NOT old enough to Vote, buy beer) that want their Tits/Dicks cut off.

And he has MANDATED, no out-state interference.



 This I agree with.

 Where's the part about parents being BLOCKED in the last assessment?
 
 No child gets to make independent gender-care decisions in MN.  That doesn't have to be added in, the policy is bad enough as it is.  

 As for no out of state interference, what is wrong with that part?  If MN made a law banning youth transgender care, and mandated that no other State can interfere, wouldn't that be reasonable?  

 A kid comes from WA to MN for summer camp with friends and is getting hormone therapy. WA states they can not deny him care, parents agree.  Would it be reasonable for MN doctors to be protected from such medical directives?
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