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Re: Will Covid be the end….
Reply #15 - 07/19/24 at 16:06:38
 
The Second Amendment wasn't about hunting, or self defense, it was about forming a well regulated militia to defend against enemies such as Britain, France, Spain or whoever might want to claim sovereignty.
America couldn't afford a standing army so this was their best solution at the time.

We now spend five times more than any other country on defense
Militia has come to mean US citizens rebelling against their own, or what they perceive as those that are different among us.
It's not unique to America, but we have the guns that other countries don't, making it much more deadly.

Crime may be lower in gun states, but so is accidental shootings
You are more likely to be killed by a family member than a criminal, and a gun in a house is more likely to kill a family member than a criminal
That's science too
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Reply #16 - 07/19/24 at 16:53:44
 
Why Should I Discuss it?

 Nobody said you Should.


Like I said
I don't CARE about magazine capacity. Just one more game,right?


 Or a discussion topic related to gun violence data.  Since I prefer to discuss the topic, I will see it as viable information.  The argument is sound from a numbers point of view.  It is unsound from an accessibility point of view.  



Lefties won't admit gun control Has Failed. It's never going to work. It didn't stop murders,it changed how they died. Until the left admit the obvious
Why would I bother with another argument?


 No idea, you choose to post, you are the only one that knows that answer.  My point was that when someone says they want fewer guns or lower capacity magazines, complaining about no-gun signage sounds like deflection since nobody said signs worked.  Nobody thinks no-gun signs stop shootings.  Typically in that argument the human won't admit that higher capacity magazines will allow a criminal to kill more people per-minute.  

 This thread further supports that assessment.



If The Obvious Truth escapes them, then anything less than obvious will never penetrate their skulls.
Go ahead,, play your
Let's Define gun control card..


 Defining what part of "gun control" is being discussed will help in a discussion because it is an expansive topic.  Saying no gun zones don't stop shootings should be a defense when a human actually says they do.  



Everything that is in opposition to Constitutional Carry is gun control.
IT'S STUPID and, while it violates the rights of the people,, it also fails to Do what The People are giving up FreeTime for.. It doesn't even make them safe.


 I mostly agree, however I do think that limiting some guns is a good idea.  After using the latest USMC replacement for the SAW, I can't imagine how much damage one human could do to a crowd of people with the drum extensions and exploding rounds.  I was able to cut a car in half, literally, in about 9-11 seconds.  The only thing that would reduce the carnage is barrel heat.
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Re: Will Covid be the end….
Reply #17 - 07/19/24 at 17:19:32
 
Discussion?
We don't NEED no Steenkeenk Discussion!

Let's do an Experiment!

Howzatt sound?
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Reply #18 - 07/19/24 at 19:23:16
 
Eegore wrote on 07/19/24 at 14:09:46:
"...   More ammo also means more murders in a crowded area.  ..."

Yep.
Yet what the Fairy Dust Sprinkling anti Gun Socialists, do NOT realize.
  (Rather, REFUSE TO BELIEVE)
The CRIMINAL doesn't care one bit, if the law said, '...one can only have 10 rounds in a semi auto handgun..."

    The CRIMINAL,
          will do
WHATEVER THEY WANT !


While a Law abiding Citizen
will follow the law.



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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
Which is More TRUE, today, than yesterday.('06, S-40, Stock) well, mostly .
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Reply #19 - 07/19/24 at 20:43:01
 
No,bot,read the founders words. They fought the tyranny of Their Government for freedom. The second amendment is for The People, not some military exercise. But,hey,you don't understand, why? FukkifIKnow..
The Right of the People to keep AND BEAR arms Shall NOT be infringed.
It stands on its own.
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Reply #20 - 07/19/24 at 20:44:28
 
Nobody wants an experiment?
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Reply #21 - 07/19/24 at 23:58:51
 

Yep.
Yet what the Fairy Dust Sprinkling anti Gun Socialists, do NOT realize.
 (Rather, REFUSE TO BELIEVE)
The CRIMINAL doesn't care one bit, if the law said, '...one can only have 10 rounds in a semi auto handgun..."

   The CRIMINAL,
         will do
WHATEVER THEY WANT !

While a Law abiding Citizen
will follow the law.



 I believe most realize that.  My experience has been that they have an unreasonable assessment of how accessible guns and accessories are.  It's the general logic that most of these shooters have used legally purchased weapons, so if maybe those weapons were not legal, they might not have had access to one and instead chose a less lethal weapon.

 That is a sound argument.  Reducing availability will reduce the specific use of that one weapon.  But is it reduced enough to have measurable impact especially given the magnitude of alternatives.  I say no.

 The same argument exists for magazine capacity.  The intent is not to stop the shooter, but to maybe increase the survivability rate for the victims during multiple reloads.  There are cases where this would be true, but is it measurable?  

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Reply #22 - 07/20/24 at 00:07:45
 

"Nobody wants an experiment?"

 Propose the parameters and volunteer to take part in both outcomes as anyone willing to run an experiment would certainly do.

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Reply #23 - 07/20/24 at 08:22:10
 
Eegore wrote on 07/19/24 at 23:58:51:
" I believe most realize that. ..." 


The VAST majority, of the UL, DFI, FDS, DFL,Socialists, do NOT believe that.
AND they REFUSE to believe the FACTS.

A Great number of the Gun Hating, UL, FDS, DFL DFI's, Do not realize that.

A Small number of DFL supporters, DO, realize that.
YET, they will not speak up, in fear of what the majority says, or they just say, 'What They Are TOLD TO SAY"

Quote:
"... Reducing availability will reduce the specific use of that one weapon..."


Yep, and the GOAL, is NOT to make things safer, the GOAL is to remove all guns. (One Gun type at a time, Just keep sliding ! )

Quote:
 "... But is it reduced enough to have measurable impact especially given the magnitude of alternatives.  
I say no..."


Again, that is NOT THE GOAL






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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
Which is More TRUE, today, than yesterday.('06, S-40, Stock) well, mostly .
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Reply #24 - 07/20/24 at 08:40:36
 
Howzabout we pass laws that make having guns either very difficult or totally illegal in some places and very lax laws against guns, including No License, Open Carry in others and just SEE what happens??

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Reply #25 - 07/20/24 at 11:03:00
 
The VAST majority, of the UL, DFI, FDS, DFL,Socialists, do NOT believe that.
AND they REFUSE to believe the FACTS.


 I disagree.  I actually have never heard anyone that is pro-gun control say they think criminals will follow the law.  If a gun is illegal, they do not think a human that is engaging in an illegal activity will choose only legally authorized guns.  They typically think the criminal will choose a different gun than the one they want to use whether it is legal or not.

 I hear this because I will have a discussion, instead of a gripe and moan session where I am calling them names and telling them how right I am.  My experience when challenging the idea of gun restrictions is that criminals will adapt, but there is a lack of knowledge in regard to weapon similarities, accessories and underground purchase from humans wanting to make certain weapons illegal.

 I have never heard anybody say if an AR is illegal a criminal will not shoot anyone.  I do however think the slow elimination of many weapons is a commonly accepted strategy.
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Re: Will Covid be the end….
Reply #26 - 07/20/24 at 11:47:20
 
JOG wrote on 07/19/24 at 20:43:01:
The Right of the People to keep AND BEAR arms Shall NOT be infringed.
It stands on its own.

It stands on it's own if you ignore the first half of the sentence
That, is hardly standing on it's own
You have to parse the sentence to make it support your view


A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Now it reads completely different

PS   I don't know how we got this topic from the question of Covid standing Biden down
I do think he's done
Prepare for chaos  Grin
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Reply #27 - 07/20/24 at 16:10:59
 
No,it doesn't.. Unless you believe they wrote a Self Contradictory amendment.
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Reply #28 - 07/20/24 at 17:39:10
 
Quote:
"Now it reads completely different..."

What are you talking ABOUT ?

It is absolutely clear what the 2nd says.

(That is for intelligent people. Who can understand, 'GAY', once meant a very happy person, which know means something COMPLETELY different.  Is the SAME as something written when this part of the North America Content became a NATION. Some words, NOW, may have a different meaning than, THEN.  Doesn't mean the, THEN, is no longer valid)





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Reply #29 - 07/20/24 at 17:40:52
 
 Too bad removing the phrase, literally every successful gun control action has used: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State" is not a viable option over re-educating each human individually.

 I guess it's best to try to get millions of individuals to change their minds, you know, instead of removing the very thing they use as leverage overnight.

 I know I get things done by having the same argument over and over for years instead of just removing the opposing factors entirely.
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