Serowbot wrote on 05/28/24 at 10:53:14:


"Journalists, scientists, Lawyers, Doctors, are generally more educated.
The more you know, the lefter you lean"


So that, ‘education’, is one of the reasons for the, DUMBING DOWN of America ?

Where 2+2 can be 3 or 5, depending on how it was done ?

Where the ‘Education/Learning”,  is
 “This party is bad, this other one is good” ????????

Yep, Learn to believe in, what you are TOLD to.
Instead of Learning HOW TO THINK !

Serowbot wrote on 05/29/24 at 06:47:30:


So you honestly believe he organized those gang rape parties, but I’m the unreasonable one! Wow….

Eegore wrote on 05/29/24 at 14:11:29:


So you believe that, DUMBING DOWN America,
And teaching WHAT to THINK.
Rather than, teaching, HOW TO THINK.

Is all about a political position,
and nothing to do with,
right or wrong ?

(Regardless of what political party one belongs to)

So you believe that, DUMBING DOWN America,
And teaching WHAT to THINK.
Rather than, teaching, HOW TO THINK.

 I said nothing about that at all.  You made that up, I never stated a belief in any part of the US education system.



Is all about a political position,
and nothing to do with,
right or wrong ?

(Regardless of what political party one belongs to)

 If we use exclusively the words I typed here and no other words, inference, or unrelated content, we can conclude I am talking about the posts on this forum specific to political party and the absence of actual policy.

 The content of the posts on this forum are typically related to political party preference and not empirical evidence supplied of any party, parties, or individuals actual policy implementations and/or actions.

 For example, the "Left" is this, and the "Right" is that etc.

 Not, policy action X and supporting material A and B present systematic change in the education system by actions 1,2,and 3.  Supporting documents cross referenced with political affiliation of each human voting member -at the time- offer evidence that policy action X was presented, voted on and implemented by a majority "Left/Right" affiliated group of humans.

 Instead we get opinion based off party preference.  No big deal, just what it is.

Do you believe, 'DUMBING DOWN', in schools, is happening, or not ?

 I think we need to better define "DUMBING DOWN".  Your definition most likely differs from mine.  "DUMBING DOWN" to me, means intentionally and measurably less education at all levels of public education, by policy, of subjects relevant to current students engaging in modern activities.

 An example would be reducing the availability of math classes.  Instead of Algebra being available in 8/9th grade it is only available at 11th so that Trig and Calculus can not be learned by high-school students.

  Spending less time in history class discussing WW2 is not "DUMBING DOWN" as the historical relevance reduces with each generation.  History class is less measurable, and will increase in content each year while the hours in a day will remain the same.  History education must change.


[i]Do you believe, 'DUMBING DOWN', in schools, benefits one political party greatly, or not ?[/i]

 I do not.

Eegore wrote on 05/29/24 at 19:01:02:


Been a long time since I was in School.
Yet I remember a thing called 'Home-Work', 'Study-Hall', and reading 'school books/texts' on weekends. (or snow days for a 1/3 of this nation).

So today, is different ?
No more, 'learning', outside of school ?

And History must be changed ?

"...History education must change..."

Where would the,
'Learn from History,
to not make the same mistake'
come in ?

Been a long time since I was in School.
Yet I remember a thing called 'Home-Work', 'Study-Hall', and reading 'school books/texts' on weekends. (or snow days for a 1/3 of this nation).

So today, is different ?
No more, 'learning', outside of school ?


 I never said that.  It is not however typical for students to learn calculus outside of school by means of homework or weekend reading.  They are taught calculus by teachers, and homework is the practicing of what was educated by a human teacher in a school, or school-based analogue.  If a student is completely self educated on topics they don't need school and can not be "DUMBED DOWN" by it's policies.

 There is no policy that limits algebra to high-school only so that calculus would be taught at age 22 instead of age 16 for instance.  Thus "DUMBING DOWN" public education by reducing what is "taught" by "teachers" in a school.



And History must be changed ?

"...History education must change..."

Where would the,
'Learn from History,
to not make the same mistake'
come in ?


 The problem with this is that it ignores time.  Students in 1960 didn't learn about 9/11 since it didn't happen yet.  Yet they still had a full History class.

 It is plausible that students today should learn about 9/11 today.  So should they have an additional History class?  Then another, as more human history piles on?  

 Or should history class change, so that applicable history is taught, and not all history exactly as their grandparents learned?  People act like the Nazi's will come back tomorrow if kids don't learn about WW2.  Kinda like how the Chinese will rule the planet if we don't learn about the Genghis Hoards.