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Reply #30 - 06/06/24 at 11:40:20
 
Hey Philly.  Appreciate your offer!  I'll definitely think about it.  Let me see how talking to this manufacturer pans out.  I'll private message you if I decide to go with a super brace.
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Reply #31 - 06/06/24 at 15:08:14
 
Sounds good, it's not going anywhere. Was barely used, I'm willing to part with it for $100 bucks, just throwing it out there for you or anyone else interested.
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Reply #32 - 06/06/24 at 15:44:15
 
Thanks.  I know you didn’t feel it did very much, but why remove it?  Can’t you have the fork boots and the brace?  Or does the brace take up some of the space/location needed for the boots?
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Reply #33 - 06/06/24 at 17:09:18
 
The brace sits right on the lip. I'd rather have the boots -- reason being ive replaced these fork seals before, there is a ton of dust, grit and grime in Philadelphia. Between the literally constant new construction and the condition of many of our roads you would think it was the third world.

I ride this bike every day. All year. Over needles, condoms, destroyed roads, homeless people, everything. The forks will, in some circumstances, twist. But at the speeds I'm typically riding, I don't have significant fear of a tank slapper. I've crashed. A lot. Slow aides and one bad high side. Once at 50 mph going literally through the intersection of second and market on my side.

I bought the brace thinking I would have some amazing handling response. I didn't get that. I did get stiffness that I think might be more appropriate for highway miles, I don't think it's totally useless, I just think it's not appropriate for what I do. I'm a social worker making home visits and encampment visits in the most dangerous parts of the United states, but I don't do much highway riding.

Anyway it was overpriced, and a waste of money.... For myself.
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Reply #34 - 06/06/24 at 17:35:58
 
I knew you were a social work.  God bless you for the work you do and the hell you go through to do it!

I can see your point about the brace.  Woody with the TKAT brace did seem more stable at higher speed than the other Savages/S40s I've had.

Yup, try to get $100 of your money back out of it so you can spend it on something else you can get more use out of.  Sorry it didn't work out for you!
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Reply #35 - 06/06/24 at 17:39:01
 
Thumper just curious, you still have the tkat brace? Is there a reason you want to replace this? Maybe I should read through the rest of the thread.
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Reply #36 - 06/07/24 at 06:13:06
 
I should have removed the TKAT before I sold Woody!  I don’t know if the new owner even noticed or cared.  Wish I had kept it!

I was just in the garage looking at the forks and fender again.  I can’t grasp how the ‘flat’ superbrace is able to fit.  If you clamp it to the top of the fork, it looks like the center portion of the brace won’t be able to clear the height of the fender.

Do you have a photo of it installed?  Most of the braces I see, including the TKAT, are elevated over the fender so it will clear and fit.  Maybe my ruler is deceiving my eyes.

Or anyone else reading, do you have a photo of the superbrace installed?
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Reply #37 - 06/07/24 at 08:13:15
 
The way I did that was putting thin cardboard on the fender. Shoebox type.
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Reply #38 - 06/07/24 at 10:07:39
 
JOG wrote on 06/07/24 at 08:13:15:
The way I did that was putting thin cardboard on the fender. Shoebox type.


I'm not following your comment. It sounds like your using the carbboard to keep the brace from touching the fender during installation.

Does the superbrace actually have enough room above the fender?  I don't see enough room using a ruler as a level.  Got any pictures?

EDIT: I think I figured it out.  Is the superbrace bowed across the center (following the shape/lines of the fender)?  Photos are making it look completely flat.  I can't envision how it positions over the fender - it looks like the fender would be in the way of it going straight accross.
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Reply #39 - 06/07/24 at 13:10:55
 
This is what happened to my bike shortly after I installed the super brace. The stains you see on the asphalt are from the leaking fork oil.

The superbrace has since been removed and sold, and the fork seal has been replaced, but the new seal is leaking again less than a year later.

Might be a coincidence, but maybe the superbrace has deformed my fork tube where the seal wont seal properly.



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Reply #40 - 06/07/24 at 13:33:41
 
It isn't an easy "bolt on" mod, but a fork brace can be avoided by having a large OD front axle that is firmly clamped to the fork.  When I built my F750 Laverda racer I used an RD350 front hub and bored it and the fork sliders so I could use a 25mm OD axle.  Large axles like that are not uncommon on modern "hypersports" motorcycles.



The hanger for the large 2-piston Brembo caliper and disc center for a JFZ dirt-track car disc are parts that I made.  The forks are 38mm Cerianis.
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Reply #41 - 06/07/24 at 14:14:41
 
Thanks for the photo Och.  It confirms my hunch that the superbrace is bent/bowed to contour over the fender (not 100% flat like some photos show).  I think your fork seal leak is a coincidence unless you really got after torquing down the superbrace to the point of deforming the fork (you are a big strong guy though so you might have done that!!  lol). I don’t think the brace could constrict down on the fork that much.

Michael - that’s a great upgrade, but I can barely do bolt-on mods without breaking something!
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Reply #42 - 06/07/24 at 14:51:07
 
It's flat on the top and bowed on the underside. I agree that the leak is probably coincidental -- not that I'm a fan of this product particularly. I know opinions about fork braces vary, for myself I genuinely don't see a difference between the brace being on and running literally zero support as I do currently.
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Reply #43 - 06/07/24 at 15:27:51
 
There is no way to deform the tube by over torquing the bolts on the superbrace, but I am thinking it may not allow the fork tubes flex as they normally would, and slightly deforms the metal. Just my theory, and I don't want to give bad reputation to the superbrace or any similar fork braces, but for me its just not worth the risk.
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Reply #44 - 06/07/24 at 16:03:10
 
Paul, that was offered as an example of a different way to get to a similar destination, not something that everyone would be firing up their lathes and milling machines to do.  Smiley

I sympathize, it seems like I've been getting increasingly less dexterous this last year or two and I have to exert more care with fine motor control tasks, but that still doesn't preclude an "ooops" moment.
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