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Re: Keihin PWK38 Air Striker Carburetor Installati
Reply #45 - 05/15/24 at 11:46:52
 
Float needle valve looked brand new as it should.  It's not the problem...
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Reply #46 - 05/15/24 at 12:00:59
 
Made some reference marks to get float height measurements.  First mark is 7mm (6.5mm is spec for an authentic short body pwk38) and 16mm is the other mark (16mm is spec for an authentic long body pwk38).  Who knows what the spec is for this knockoff pwk.  But, this knockoff PWK must be a long body because there was no way it was going to line up with 7mm. (And yes, I know my lines aren't perfectly straight - close enough!)

My best eyeballing guessimate is the float was set at about 14mm BEFORE I adjusted it to about 16mm.  I don't have fancy tools to hold the carb exactly at a 60 degree angle and measure the angle with a protractor.  Good ole fiddling back and forth eyeballing the clip and float needle valve as I played with it.  I knew I wanted to lower the floats 'some', so I just went 'some' in that direction.  I think I move it down about 2mm.  Hey, the overflow leak stopped and the bike didn't starve for fuel under WOT or regular riding.  I must have done something right!  Right?!
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Reply #47 - 05/15/24 at 12:04:14
 
Best photo I could get trying to manage the carb in one hand and phone camera in the other.  The float height is set to about 16mm.  It looked better in person without a phone in my hand and I was fiddling around with it.
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Reply #48 - 05/15/24 at 12:05:09
 
Another view fumbling around with it trying to simulate a 60 degree angle.
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Reply #49 - 05/15/24 at 12:07:33
 
The clip position after adjustment.  The photo before adjustment is crappy.  

Real technical - I bent it down a little bit.
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Reply #50 - 05/15/24 at 12:22:01
 
And the good news is, I’m 95% happy with the carb jetting/tune.  I need some more saddle time testing and MPG testing.  

Pilot Jet: 32 (2 turn out on A/F mix screw)
Main Jet: 120
Needle: e-clip middle groove

I might be sensing a little leanness at WOT.  I may need to try a 122 main.

The needle e-clip might need to go up 1 groove (leaner).  Kinda scared to try this change.

Love the 32 pilot jet setting (easy start, smooth idle, good transition).

I need some more butt dyno testing, but it’s very satisfactory for everyday cruising.  I’d consider this a good starting point for anyone considering a PWK38 Air Striker carb for a stock motor with stock exhaust, stock air box with airbox side cover removed.  (At steamy hot sea level like Houston.)
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Reply #51 - 06/18/24 at 05:30:57
 
Latest update.  

I installed a UNI 4” pod foam filter directly to the carb (no snorkel tube or air box chop job).

Pilot/idle circuit = still great with the #32 jet.  Only needed to turn the a/f mix screw about 1/4 turn richer.  It’s about 1-3/4 turns out now.

Midrange feels pretty good, maybe a tad rich with the e-clip in the middle groove still.

WOT - While the midrange can find a fairly happy place with a 120, 122, and 125 - I’m struggling a bit to get a nice clean WOT response with the UNI filter installed.  The #120 seemed lean.  The #125 seemed a little rich.  Bought a #122 and I’m perplexed with it.  I can’t tell if it’s too small (lean) or too big (rich).  It can act “clean” sometimes.  If I sneeke up on WOT, it’s generally okay.  If I roll on the throttle hard when I think I’m at a good rpm level, it just isn’t clean.  It actually backfired out the stock exhaust rather loudly (haven’t heard a bang like that before through the stock exhaust).  I’m coming to the conclusion that I need to install the Harley dyna muffler to open things up and get WOT to feel right.  Thinking the stock muffler is just too restrictive with the PWK38 and UNI filter.

Thoughts?  I wish I could describe the performance feel better.  It’s just not always “clean” - like it’s lean sometimes and rich other times.  I got the boomer backfire when I was hammering it pretty hard in 2nd.  I can creep up to WOT in 4th pretty cleanly.  Hit 84mph in 4th getting on it last week.

The UNI filter does sound cool when you can hear the air induction!
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Reply #52 - 06/24/24 at 07:57:08
 
I’m at the point where I think it might be constipated by the restrictive stock muffler.

I got a kaboom on decel in 4th gear when I rolled off from WOT.  In 2nd gear, it cuts out when I roll on it hard.  

I’m going to bump up to #128 main jet.  When I went down from a 125 to a 122, I think I may have misdiagnosed and went the wrong direction.  Trying the 128 should tell me something.

I did get 53mpg on a 60 mile ride on Saturday cruising mostly 60-65mph out in the rural backcountry without riding like a yahoo.  Bike generally runs great and getting decent MPG, but I want to be able to romp on it without getting the hiccups.

I’m at a place where I can’t tell if I’m a tad too lean or too rich at WOT.  And still wondering if it’s a bit rich on the needle in the mid-range or ‘just right’.

A dyno test to see the air fuel mixture across the power band would be great.  But the one place I’ve found that can do a dyno on the Savage is majorly backed-up and kinda expensive.  So I’m stuck with the butt dyno.
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Re: Keihin PWK38 Air Striker Carburetor Installati
Reply #53 - 07/01/24 at 05:16:36
 
Update:

With the UNI filter and stock muffler, here’s where I landed on jetting.  I’m happy with the results for now.  

Easy start, clean idle, acceleration is brisk, no backfire on deceleration (an occasional light crackle if I close the throttle quickly from 5000+ rpms), no kabooms, WOT is clean, no heavy exhaust fumes smell.

The final adjustment was moving the e-clip up 1 groove on the needle from the middle position to the 2nd leanest position.  I need to monitor this because I don’t want the bike running too lean, but I think this is the right position for my setup.  I was and I’m still a little concerned about this e-clip position.

Pilot Jet: #32, mix screw 1.75 turns out
Main Jet: #128
Needle: I think it’s a “DDJ”.  I’m pretty confident in the J length.  The needle is not marked on this knock-off $36 carb.
E-Clip: 2nd groove from the top of the needle

I need some riding time to calculate MPG.  Hoping for 55+mpg riding it like I didn’t just steal the bike.

If I decide to stay with this setup and not install the dyna muffler I have handy, I may experiment with a slightly longer needle with perhaps more taper.  It seems to want to go a tad rich around 3/4 to 7/8ths throttle. OR go back down to the 125 main jet while keeping the e-clip in the 2nd groove.  I’m really close, but not perfect.  I kinda want perfect.
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Re: Keihin PWK38 Air Striker Carburetor Installati
Reply #54 - 07/01/24 at 23:19:33
 
Congrats.  Seems perfectly reasonable.  Glad you got it dialed in.  The PWKs sure are a bargain.
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Reply #55 - 07/02/24 at 05:00:06
 
DragBikeMike wrote on 07/01/24 at 23:19:33:
Congrats.  Seems perfectly reasonable.  Glad you got it dialed in.  The PWKs sure are a bargain.


Thanks Mike.  I need to give this setup 200-300 miles and see what I think.  Yup, love the price!
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Re: Keihin PWK38 Air Striker Carburetor Installati
Reply #56 - Yesterday at 06:51:34
 
I’m adding the Dyna muffler over the next few days.  For carb tuning, I’m going to start at:

Pilot: #32 (no change, but I may have to adjust the mix screw a tad)
Main: #130
E-Clip on Needle: move from the 2nd groove to 3rd groove (middle)

Give this a shot.  After having the e-clip in the 2nd groove for about 300 miles, it seemed a tad lean in the midrange and the spark plug suggested lean or ‘just right’.  It’s not going to hurt moving it back down a groove and bumping up the main 1 size from #128 to #130.  (I know, I know…one change at a time, BUT this is how I roll.  I think I have enough info to make this dual change with the Dyna.) 

Still using the UNI filter, but to make you happy DBM, I put the stock panel air filter in the airbox so the breather tube can’t suck in dirty air.  Shocked  And I rewired the tach like you recommended!  I definitely feel better about that.  Thanks for all your help DBM!!
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Reply #57 - Today at 05:12:15
 
Aside from improved performance and throttle response, a couple things that I really like about this setup.

1) the UNI Filter butts right up against the airbox (which is now just a giant breather tube puke catch bucket).

2) I can swap the main jet in less than 5 minutes once the seat and gas tank are removed.  Obviously disconnect the fuel line, pull the carb top, slide, and throttle cable off, loosen the band clamp at the intake manifold, and gently rotate the carb 90° to get easy access to the plug at the bottom of the float bowl to access the main jet.  Unscrew the plug and swap the main jet (being careful not to lose the washer on the jet).  Reverse steps to reassemble.  I’ve got the whole process down to about 35-40 minutes with a smoke break.  Changing the e-clip position on the needle is a bit more convoluted with the way the throttle cable ferrule is trapped by this funky contraption in the slide.

I know it’s conceivably possible to change the main jet on the stock carb without removing the carb, but it’s a pain and unnerving.  I’ve always had to remove the carb to change jets which means several extra steps - like pulling the battery and battery box to get some room, and removing the snorkel (air boot) between the carb and airbox.
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Reply #58 - Today at 15:49:10
 
Why are you removing the seat & tank to change jets?  I was looking at your carb in the picture you posted on the dyna muffler.  It’s the freeway of love underneath that carb and you have socket head screws installed in the float bowl.  Just remove the plug to change the main jet.  If you need to fiddle with the pilot jet just drop the float bowl.

Sounds like you are pretty much done dialing in that PWK.  I have a ton of miles on mine now.  It NEVER acts up.  I love the thing.
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