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Reply #30 - 12/31/23 at 05:27:50
 
The Middle East had relative peace and that would have remained the case if you had called Israel back in time.

Relative peace? The Oct 7th attack was planned for many months. Children were butchered in front of their parents, babies beheaded. Did you see the clip in the early days of the woman being let out of the back of an SUV and into the backseat? She was limping because, those relatively peaceful Palestinians, cut her Achilles tendon so she wouldn’t run away. She had blood all down the front of her crotch and in the back because they had raped her over and over again. Perhaps thankfully, they found the woman’s head so she didn’t have to endure that much longer.

Israel is not committing genocide. That’s a ridiculous statement. If Israel wanted to commit genocide, this war would’ve been over on October 10 or 11th.

It’s been said antisemitism is the original hate. I didn’t understand that until recently but now I’m beginning to believe it that’s true.

Israel is doing what the Allied powers during World War II. Had there been social media and prosperous people living in comfort thousand miles away from the war like you, there would’ve been calls for cease-fire and Hitler and the Nazis would’ve survived to fight another day. Hamas must be completely and entirely destroyed. Yes, there are civilian casualties, but remember the raped and beheaded woman I mentioned? There was another woman they brutally tortured and raped. They threw her body in the back of a pick up truck and paraded her around the streets. One of the scenes I always remember was a little Palestinian boy, maybe 10 or 11 years old, ran up to the back of the pick up truck and spit on her body, along with the other men. Yeah, relative peace.

You’re not seeing the world clearly.
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Reply #31 - 12/31/23 at 05:40:13
 
Eegore said: Having spent multiple weeks in locations where people are unaware I am American I can definitely confirm this to be accurate in the small sample size I have.

I think our experience is different because my visits to Europe and talks to Europeans weekly revolve around business, but if I recall correctly, yours not so much. The people I deal with are forced from the competitive market to take a comprehensive view in the sense they can easily and quickly change goals to maintain income. Again, if I recall correctly, the people you deal with are forced by circumstances to have a narrower focus.

Or maybe, I’m just lucky and deal with nicer people!
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Reply #32 - 12/31/23 at 05:41:24
 
Serowbot wrote on 12/30/23 at 11:27:15:
You seem to forget... It was Russia that attacked Ukraine and it was Hamas that attacked Israel.
I side with the innocent


I’m not sure how this bodes for 2024, but how the hell did we end up on the same side?….
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Reply #33 - 12/31/23 at 06:09:06
 
Eegore wrote on 12/31/23 at 00:34:21:
Most people in Europe see Amirika as an extremely warlike country whose sole motivation is to protect the petrol dollar and the associated highly profitable arms industry.

And I haven't even mentioned the disruptive effect of refugees entering Europe en masse as a result of the conflicts you are causing all over the world.


Sorry, it took me an hour to respond, but I accidentally deleted the message. And I don't feel like doing it again.
 Having spent multiple weeks in locations where people are unaware I am American I can definitely confirm this to be accurate in the small sample size I have.  The US is "all about the oil" and our past decades of "destabilization" actions on foreign governments causing refugee camps/regions.  our international policy is most definitely not seen as meant to help anyone but the US.

 We do have policies that seem good from a US citizen perspective, that seem like unwarranted aggression to humans more directly impacted.

 As for Israel / Palestine, this whole idea that the US should support Palestine at this point is ridiculous.  Decades of peace-talks was our support.  Refusing to compromise at any useful degree for decades, then launching an attack is no way to garner US support.  

 If I let my squabbling neighbors use my Living-room to talk out property claims for 60 years, feeding them both lunch every week with my money, then one neighbor kills the children of another, I am not going to go support the murdering neighbor because my great great grandfather helped build a house on the wrong property.  Should I support the child murderer because he was oppressed and my grandfather helped lay the groundwork for that oppression?


Sorry Eegore I spent an hour trying to respond but I accidentally deleted the message. And I don't feel like doing it again.
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Reply #34 - 12/31/23 at 06:11:23
 
WebsterMark wrote on 12/31/23 at 05:41:24:
Serowbot wrote on 12/30/23 at 11:27:15:
You seem to forget... It was Russia that attacked Ukraine and it was Hamas that attacked Israel.
I side with the innocent


I’m not sure how this bodes for 2024, but how the hell did we end up on the same side?….


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Reply #35 - 12/31/23 at 08:23:57
 
Eegore: “…I can definitely confirm this to be accurate…”
   (Regarding ‘…Amirika as an extremely warlike…’)

WM: “… our experience is different …”

When a person, is interacting with another person, and that person does not know the ‘position’, of the person interacting with them, the very, VERY, subtle Hints given, are used to communicate.  
   (Often extremely subliminal clues)

     Ask any successful Poker Player, Salesman, Politician.

So WM and Eegore, interacting with the same people/group, will have two completely different experience’s.

“…If I let my squabbling neighbors use my Living-room to talk out property claims for 60 years, feeding them both lunch every week with my money, then one neighbor kills the children of another, I am not going to go support the murdering neighbor because my great great grandfather helped build a house on the wrong property….”

Totally agree.

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Reply #36 - 12/31/23 at 08:57:26
 

"Again, if I recall correctly, the people you deal with are forced by circumstances to have a narrower focus."

 I guess it depends on the job.  Right now we are working with about 200 AI specialists from all over the planet.  Typically it's small teams of sociologists, psychologists, intelligence analysts, software engineers and ethicists.  

 I'm not sure what circumstances would force a narrower focus, but I can imagine there are plenty.

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Reply #37 - 12/31/23 at 09:40:44
 
I do feel for the innocent Palestinian people, and I believe Israel should be supplying trucks of food and water at the least during this purge,... but the Palestinians allow Hamas to exist within their borders and that is not tolerable.  If they had policed their own, Israel's incursion would not be necessary.
You can't have a two state solution if one state allows terrorists.

Israel should occupy this postage stamp size territory,.. and if possible, buy a postage stamp piece of Egypt to move the Palestinians onto.  Build them homes and infrastructure there and leave them to their own devices.  Sink or swim.
Cheaper in the long run.

Get this over with.
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Reply #38 - 12/31/23 at 11:02:28
 
People are strange creatures.

I'm leaving my little village tonight, and going to visit friends who live in the City. It's New Year's Eve. The city, but especially the neighborhood I am visiting, is traditionally known for turning into a war zone on New Year's Eve.

And I don't just mean big fires in the street, but also cars that are driven into them. The intention is to increase the collective labor to such an extent that the police intervene.

The police, in turn, are also looking forward to this opportunity to release the frustration they have built up over the past year. The fight that follows is truly like being in a real war zone. Only with rubber bullets  tear gas, flying stones and fireworks bombs.

Everything that was not allowed and withheld throughout the year comes out, under the influence of alcohol and drugs.
It is not without risk to go out on the street because all laws are overboard this evening, you are on your own.

The next day you can see the damage that has been done and often the paint on the window frames is peeling from the heat, broken windows and burned cars everywhere.
Must say that it has been a bit quieter in recent years, but with all the unrest in the world this year, I expect it will be old-fashioned fun for the youth.

Those who are going to die salute you.

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Reply #39 - 12/31/23 at 12:10:59
 
Sounds lovely... enjoy.

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Reply #40 - 01/02/24 at 10:27:40
 
Stability is no longer possible. The entire institution of Politics has collapsed.
It will take some time before this will dawn on everyone.
2024 will be a very strange year, almost accopoliptic.


I don’t believe that. 2024 will indeed be strange and if Republicans win, there will be violence, but not apocalyptic in nature.

It’s important to remember that all of us who participate on this forum are oddballs. We are not normal. The vast majority of the population does not pay attention to events swirling all around them the way we do and certainly they don’t filter everything through their individual partisan lens the way all of us do. That’s a good thing.

I’m not saying we’re more stable than we were 25 years ago because we absolutely are not. I’m not saying the potential isn’t there for some level of social upheaval because it is. I’m saying while it will likely be wider in scope and more intense than the past 3 years, it will not be an end to The Republic.

My brother asked me one time what would it take for me to get out on the streets and protest for a cause and I said if Washington decided to pay off nation debt by taking my 401(k) retirement, then yes, I’d act like a George Floyd protester on steroids (I mean fentanyl, see what I did there?) . Something like that would wake the sleeping giant I am a part of. There could be an actual insurrection, not like the fabrication of Jan 6th.

But we’re not there yet. There is no national divorce coming next year. If I found myself in Arizona near where Sew lives, I’d buy him a beer, I wouldn’t start swinging. When average people take to the streets and start fighting, then we’re facing an apocalyptic future.
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Reply #41 - 01/02/24 at 10:53:19
 
Just back from an apocalyptic situation, I can say it is also very refreshing in a certain way.
No sense of security for a moment. People who all show their true colors through alcohol and are open through drugs.Intens primal energy everywhere. It does something to you. There is also a sense of relief when you ride through on your bike.
This time it was especially very festive.

I hope for your sake that you don't have to lose your 400,000 to feel refreshed too. I would say go and dance with Sew before there is a reason to do so.
It may never come and that would be a pitty.
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Reply #42 - 01/03/24 at 05:02:20
 
zevenenergie wrote on 01/02/24 at 10:53:19:
Just back from an apocalyptic situation, I can say it is also very refreshing in a certain way.
No sense of security for a moment. People who all show their true colors through alcohol and are open through drugs.Intens primal energy everywhere. It does something to you. There is also a sense of relief when you ride through on your bike.
This time it was especially very festive.

I hope for your sake that you don't have to lose your 400,000 to feel refreshed too. I would say go and dance with Sew before there is a reason to do so.
It may never come and that would be a pitty.


I have no idea what any of that means but glad you enjoyed yourself.
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Reply #43 - 01/07/24 at 13:17:39
 
Why can
Scientific American discern voter Fraud, in other Countries.
Outlining ‘why/when’ for other Countries ?

“…That appears to be the case with the results of Turkey’s 2017 constitutional referendum and its 2018 presidential election, which Klimek and colleagues analyze in a paper published earlier this month in PLOS ONE. Using their own set of statistical tools, the researchers identified multiple irregularities in both elections that they attribute to systematic ballot stuffing, and voter rigging…”

“…“The way elections take place and are administered in the U.S. is not really up to the quality standards in other countries,”…”

“…The most unexpected takeaway from electoral forensics may be that it is easier to analyze Russian elections than those in the U.S….”



Then NOT outlining in this country, ‘why’, S.A. believes,
“…unsubstantiated claims of widespread voter fraud…” concerning 2106

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