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Re: Piece of dowel rod in cylinder
Reply #30 - 11/19/23 at 03:17:38
 
I am starting to like the shop vac/small tube idea.

The tube/hose should be just large enough to fit down the spark plug hole to get the most grip....however smaller hoses will give you a bit more room to move around.

Shove the hose down the spark plug hole until it touches the cylinder wall, then move the piston up until it touches the tube.....now all you need to do is get the wood dowel lined up with the tube.  You can shove a nylon zip tie or something similar down the hole and wiggle it around to try and move the dowel into position.  (That is why I suggested leaning the bike to the right side so the dowel move downhill inline with the spark plug hole).
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Reply #31 - 11/19/23 at 05:38:12
 
Hey Dave.  That’s my try again today.  The shop vac was a little too cumbersome, but this Oreck sucks pretty good with an 8mm ID fuel line duct taped to the attachment.  The camera comes with a little plastic hook which I may try to rig up with some 2-sided tape.  The catch with that is that it has to be small or else it blocks the camera view.  As you noted, the real trick is getting the piece where you can get it.  I’ve rocked and leaned this bike 147 ways to Friday!  I need a couple up big strong friends to hold the bike upside down while I crawl underneath and do the surgery!
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Reply #32 - 11/19/23 at 05:44:07
 
Little sucker.
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Reply #33 - 11/19/23 at 06:04:15
 
Hey,... you stole my vacuum cleaner!...

Good luck
This is going to work
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Reply #34 - 11/19/23 at 06:24:46
 
Hey Serowbot.  I stole it from my wife!  Then bought her a new one for her birthday!  Now me and the old Oreck sleep in the garage together with a case of cheap Bush beer!  Something has to work today, or I’m using lighter fluid and fire!
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Reply #35 - 11/19/23 at 09:58:57
 
I sure the vacuumcleaner trick works.
Especially if you can look through the inlet with that camera to see what you are doing.
And if it doesn't work out, you have to look on the bright side.

You end up whit a very clean combustion chamber.

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Reply #36 - 11/19/23 at 10:04:51
 
How are things going?
Dit you brake free already?


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Reply #37 - 11/19/23 at 10:22:53
 
I give up for today!  Gunna watch football. Tomorrow I BUILD FIRE!  I watched it roll back and forth 47 times as I rocked the bike back and forth. It was like some ridiculous arcade game where you have to get it to stop in the middle!
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Reply #38 - 11/19/23 at 10:48:18
 
Total frustration!  I optimistically put everything back together except for the saddle, tank, and a couple other items (waiting for a decomp set-up to arrive from Verslagen and a starter o-ring from Och - thanks guys!).
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Reply #39 - 11/19/23 at 13:28:10
 
All this talking about rocking, blowing and sucking - you and the savage are getting pretty intimate.  Grin
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Re: Piece of dowel rod in cylinder
Reply #40 - 11/20/23 at 01:13:34
 
I thought about it some more. Wood floats. So if you place the piston at TDC when all valves are closed and you fill the combustion chamber with a  liquid, the dowel will float in front of the spark plug hole.

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If you then use the vacuum cleaner to suck the dowel out, do not use flammable liquid because then your vacuum cleaner will explode.

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Re: Piece of dowel rod in cylinder
Reply #41 - 11/20/23 at 05:47:44
 
Not sure about that one... might suck a lot of fluid.

Could it be that TDC will not allow the wood to stand upright?
Maybe BDC would benefit?
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Re: Piece of dowel rod in cylinder
Reply #42 - 11/20/23 at 09:15:02
 
What is the approximate size of the broken piece (diameter x length)?

For a vacuum cleaner to work you will need flow.  The spark plug hole will not permit sufficient flow.  You need valves open to have any chance of sucking the piece out.  But the valves need to be open with the piston very near to top dead center (TDC).  You can achieve the required condition by jacking valves open with the adjustment screws, but you must not rotate the engine with the valves jacked open.  DO NOT ROTATE ENGINE WITH VALVES JACKED OPEN.

Position your engine at TDC on the compression stroke.  Make sure both rocker arms move right & left to verify that you are on the compression stroke. Then rotate the engine just enough to lower the piston about 1/8" down from TDC.

Use the left-hand intake valve adjuster to jack open the left-hand intake valve.  DO NOT ROTATE ENGINE WITH VALVES JACKED OPEN.  You will be able to open the valve about 8.5mm.  It will look like this.
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Re: Piece of dowel rod in cylinder
Reply #43 - 11/20/23 at 09:16:40
 
Now jack open the right-hand exhaust valve using the valve adjuster screw. DO NOT ROTATE ENGINE WITH VALVES JACKED OPEN.  It will look like this.
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Re: Piece of dowel rod in cylinder
Reply #44 - 11/20/23 at 09:26:11
 
You should now have a shot at sucking the remnant out with a vacuum, but it will depend on the size of the wooden piece.  The intake valves are bigger so you want to suck from the intake side.  You will probably be able to look into the cylinder through the open valves.  That assumes you have the carb and exhaust header removed (that would be beneficial if you haven't already done it).  You also want the spark plug hole open to achieve the highest airflow possible.  You might also be able to open the left-hand exhaust valve a bit too to enhance air flow.

You want to use a canister vacuum so you can retrieve the piece to verify removal and make sure there aren't several pieces in there....and....of course post a picture so we can all see.

DO NOT ROTATE ENGINE WITH VALVES JACKED OPEN.

Regardless of results (success or failure).  Get those adjuster screws backed off before you rotate the engine.  Of course you must adjust your valves before any attempt to run the engine.
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