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Reply #345 - 03/04/25 at 07:38:26
 
Then mate the inlet with one og these, and get ready for racing:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/384534557145?_skw=slant+fcr&itmmeta=01JNGWBF2CSFA9S1...
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Reply #346 - 03/04/25 at 09:24:28
 
Well found. That looks very promising. Smiley
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Reply #347 - 03/09/25 at 03:49:08
 
Of course the proof has to lie in the pudding, and to try to substantiate that, here is a cross section of the proposed improvement of the inlet canal.
Green is the current state of the art, with Mikes raised floor
In Red is the new possible improvement with 20deg. downward slant carburettor.
It should be noted that this is a flat rendering, and the thick part of the throat will be between the valves, therefore less in conflict with the spring seats.
Does it look like it holds any promise at all?
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Reply #348 - 03/10/25 at 16:30:01
 
Finn, I'm lovin the way you do your mockups with CAD.  Wish I had that particular skill set.  The carb is way cool also.

A few years back I did some tests to see if I could pick up some flow by elongating the manifold holes and raising up the rubber manifold.  The port by design is 42mm but my carb is only 39mm, so that gave me about 1.5mm difference on the radius.  I figured I might be able to pick up some flow by raising up the carb all the way to the top edge of the port.  If it had merit, I then planned to grind the top of the port about another 2mm and raise the manifold up some more.  That would have resulted in the carb entry ending up roughly 3.5mm higher.  There was enough overhead room so that the carb could have been raised up that much without the frame interfering.  I filled in the floor with clay to try and maintain a favorable port entry.  I was never able to finish the testing.  Just got sidetracked with other stuff.

It lost a little flow on the first couple of attempts, and then I started fiddling around with other stuff, but I have always felt raising up the carb would provide a better shot at the intake valves.  You might want to try that approach first since it won't result in a permanent change to the cylinder head.  I think my first few tries were flawed.  I had too much clay build up on the walls of the port.  I believe that if I had confined the clay buildup to the floor of the port it would have been much better.

This picture should give you an idea as to how much I was able to raise up the manifold.  See the bolt impressions in the manifold flange.
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Reply #349 - 03/10/25 at 16:32:25
 
You can see here that I had way too much clay on the sides of the port.  I think I should have left that area alone.  You can also see that there is a lot of material on the top of the port.  Easily enough to allow safely raising the port 2mm.
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Reply #350 - 03/10/25 at 16:40:40
 
Someday, if I get energetic, I want to try this again.  

I don't think I have the skill set required to do what you are planning.  That angled carb will require frame mods, and the seat will have to be raised significantly.  Setting up the airbox/filter will also be tricky.  If you can pull all of that off you should definitely see major league improvements in flow, even with the miniature 34mm valves.

Why don't you try testing the concept without doing major surgery to the head, similar to what I tried?  You might be able to achieve some very good results.  It won't flow as good as what you have proposed, but it will be way less invasive, and the exhaust port will have an easier time keeping up with the intake.
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Reply #351 - Today at 05:22:48
 
Thank you Mike, I always value your input.
Funny btw. how that bright red inlet snout adds to the desirability of the carb, we are easy victims to marketing strategies.

Well, I have 35mm valves and tooling for a 5 angle seat job. I may even have a junk head coming this way to try the mod. out on, and since I have already bought the carb, I am going full bore to try this out.
As far as frame modifications, there is that nasty seat/tank mount, which is in the way. I can't allow myself to chop it off, totally forbidden here, so perhaps rout the inlet both under and over, we will see.
I ran the idea over with the porting experts at "Porting & Gasflowing Cylinder Heads, Manifolds and Induction Systems" on Facebook, where the idea got mixed reviews. But one thing was good, I got some numbers. Like inlet must flow 260cfm for a decent porting job. We will see about that, up til now I have managed 208cfm.
Also got some good advice regarding inlet cross section to get proper speed in the air, so looking forward to start this work.
Meanwhile, I have laced and trued the rear wheel, and just delivered it to have tire mounted on 18" rim and then I might actually take the bike out for a spin on proper tires. I am not going to drive into the swamps, so don't need the bouyancy of the rear balloon, 4.1 x 18" is the way to go.

Cheers, Finn Hammer
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