I am just popping in for a moment as I am trying to sort something out the old ‘05.  I find one thing rather interesting, the left has a moral dilemma.  Which side is the more protected class?

Regardless, I am surprised by than less objective opinions of this conflict.  I have not seen any posts stating that Israel did not pilfer and occupy the Palestinian land. If you look at the map of Palestine & Israel since it’s inception and you don’t agree their land was taken, you are not honest.   This was also planned decades in advance, see the Balfour Declaration.  The declaration was contained in a letter dated 2 November 1917 from the United Kingdom's Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour to Lord Rothschild, a leader of the British Jewish community,  

If an invading force came to take your home, how would you react?  This by no means gives Hamas or their supporters the right to massacre scores of innocent people in a feudal attempt that is doomed to fail.  One has to expect a reaction to large group of people who fanatically believe in a sub-human belief system.  

Israel is going to reciprocate, and again scores of innocent people are going to be displaced and killed.   This will never end……………..

In short, there are a lot of bad guys and not a lot of good guys.

Also, there is proof Jewish space lasers exist, see the Iron Beam………………...

Best regards,

zevenenergie wrote on 10/14/23 at 14:22:02:


The people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki don't disagree... because they can't.   Like the residents of Gaza, they had no more influence over the Empire than the average Palestinian over Hamas, or American over the deployment of the US military.   Truth and reductive recourse typically don't share the center of a Venn diagram- and history has a nasty habit of becoming little more than a bludgeon when flattened for a soap box.  

Serowbot wrote on 10/14/23 at 06:56:18:


Leveraging of the us/them tribal mentality is the root of these problems- something we would should have learned long ago from this constructed tragedy.   Problem is, the lever connects to basic aspects of our nature that many never attempt to recognize, let alone surpass. Fomenting hate is so... easy.


Serowbot wrote on 10/14/23 at 06:56:18:


This forum isn't a healthy, constructive space for me; I come here when society swings toward tribal excess at the expense of humanity, and I need a personification of those failures to use as pinata, beating until all the ugly bits are disgorged.   Naturally, that contact is ultimately unsatisfying, being as reductive and destructive as the source of my disgust.

So, no- I will not expound at length here on origins of this conflict, prejudice, bigotry, or petty and profound partisanship, as doing so would be akin to practicing origami in the rain.    Rather, on a personal level, Serow, I suggest your demonstrated humanity is too large to fit into the limitations of the "big Israel supporter" box you have adopted, and will require cognitive dissonance and parsing of values to remain confined to.   Whether or not you'll find that position tenable will depend to what degree comfort of certainty and pride succeed in winning out over your other values.

Some folks here have surpassed my expectations- in a good way.  There is also disappointment.   Predictable disgust.   Life is just... too short to spend it in this way- so I'll pluck the needle from my arm and leave the table again, having had my fill.

Later, all.   Before all else, be kind.

Also, there is proof Jewish space lasers exist, see the Iron Beam………………...


 That's a ground laser.

 If you are trying to say "lasers" are a "space" item then I have tons of "space lasers" laying all over the place.  My neighbor uses a "space laser" to play with her cat, and she is Jewish.  She has a Jewish space laser too.

pg wrote on 10/16/23 at 05:38:03:


Hello PG, long time.

Virtually everyone’s land was taken at one point or another. Israel’s policy of occupying the land they were being attacked from that’s fine with me. If northern Mexico, or southern Canada kept launching attacks into the US, sure, take them over and occupy it.

As far as going back to 1917 I think it’s important to note that history didn’t start in 1917. Not that that’s necessarily an excuse. One way or another but it’s important to remember it’s complicated. Well to be fair it’s complicated, on one hand. On the other hand it’s pretty simple. If Muslim extremists would just stop trying to kill Jews, the problem would be solved.