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Reply #30 - 10/09/23 at 12:54:15
 
WebsterMark wrote on 10/09/23 at 10:25:57:
It’s incorrect to say Gaza is a prison. Inhabitants are free to leave or start their own civilized culture.

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The problem isn't that they can't leave, it's that they won't leave.  They ultimately want all of Israel and for all the Jews to die.

The Jewish people have a right to a homeland and a right to exist
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Reply #31 - 10/09/23 at 13:39:21
 
That's not even what many people in Israel think.

There is a whole movement there that believes that things should change with the Palestinians.

I live in the Netherlands and we have always had a very close bond with Israel. But for more than 20 years there has been a live discussion going on here in the Netherlands because we see what is going on there. We are currently one of the few countries that is not stopping development aid to the Palestinians.
Maybe I am better informed than you, I don't know, but I am really surprised by your reaction.

Gaza is the most densely populated area of the world and there will be a massacre there, now that Israel is going to retaliate there.

I can imagine that you are traumatized after 911 and hate the Arabs. But what Israel has done to the Palestinians there is truly degrading to humanity.
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Reply #32 - 10/09/23 at 15:51:20
 
One of my best friends of 35 years is Lebanese... we were working on his daughters car in my carport for 4 hours today.
... both his daughters call me uncle.
You don't know me... you shouldn't make assumptions.
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Reply #33 - 10/09/23 at 20:09:55
 
Serowbot wrote on 10/09/23 at 15:51:20:
You don't know me... you shouldn't make assumptions.


Then you should know that THIS-

Serowbot wrote on 10/09/23 at 12:54:15:
The problem isn't that they can't leave, it's that they won't leave.  They ultimately want all of Israel and for all the Jews to die.


-is likewise apt to be a false presumption.   2 million people- yet the person you describe is no more representational than Mark is of a typical American.   Without doubt hate and enmity has been broadly cultivated- given the circumstances, there is fertile ground for an endless blood feud.   Yet, there remain folks who dream of better, and work toward it- despite forces within Israel and Iran that have perpetuated this madness.

I recall a Palestinian doctor who worked in Israel, home in Gaza.  What year was it?  2012, maybe. No, 2009. Israel was at war with the city again.  That doctor would regularly call into an Israeli TV station and report on the impacts of the war, pleading for peace.  In answer, the Israeli's shelled his apartment, up in a high-rise tower, murdering his 3 daughters.   Still he pled for peace.  I think he's in Canada now.

There are ready allies for peace within Israel and among the Palestinians- many, even.  Between Hamas and the Zionists, they don't stand much of a chance.  The notion that it is possible for all of these people to leave their homes, abandon what little they have and be completely stateless is easy to say from across the ocean, safe within the land-o-opportunity.   I can't discern choice from here- no more than I can weigh the decision to pile into a boat on the shores of North Africa hoping to land in Greece or Italy, or cling to the underside of a truck bound for the Chunnel.   Desperation, belonging, home- how could anyone discern the gravity of these things from outside clearly enough to judge what is choice?   I suggest you can't.

(A brief summation of the doctor's experience and advocacy may be found here- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izzeldin_Abuelaish)
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Reply #34 - 10/10/23 at 01:27:28
 
Serowbot wrote on 10/09/23 at 15:51:20:
One of my best friends of 35 years is Lebanese... we were working on his daughters car in my carport for 4 hours today.
... both his daughters call me uncle.
You don't know me... you shouldn't make assumptions.



That's good to hear.

My neighbors are Palestinians who fled Gaza eight years ago and we get along nicly. Of course I don't know who you are, I don't want to label you either,

I just find it inconceivable that everyone is so into Israel, without looking at what their part in the whole is.

I live in a small village that values helpfulness. My neighbors a few houses away went to pick up refugees with buses when the war started in Ukraine. There are about 50 people living here in our village who we support where we can.

People from Syria also live here. We have pretty much reached the limit of what we can do. In the building where I live, we have an activity center that was intended for the elderly, but that has now become a lively place for anyone who needs help.
We kind of like how things are going here. Smiley
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Reply #35 - 10/10/23 at 03:21:49
 
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Reply #36 - 10/10/23 at 08:17:09
 
Holy $hit…..

Israeli soldiers shared details of unimaginable atrocities committed in a community where dozens of victims, including about 40 babies, were massacred by Hamas terrorists.

Israel's rescue service said 200 Israelis were found dead in Kfar Aza, i24 News reported.

Reporters with i24 News toured the "scene of devastation" in the community of about 700, where soldiers worked to remove bodies of victims who were brutally murdered in their homes. Some soldiers said they found babies with their heads cut off, according to i24 News.

"The community’s cars, parked outside, were completely torched. And it was just a small part of the destruction, with no exact number yet of how many people were murdered, as bodies are still being collected and removed from the homes," the report said.

More than 70 terrorists invaded the community and butchered residents, leaving naught but a "smell of death" behind, i24 News reported.

“It’s not a war, it’s not a battlefield. You see the babies, the mother, the father, in their bedrooms, in their protection rooms, and how the terrorists killed them,” IDF Major General Itai Veruv said. “It’s a massacre.”
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Reply #37 - 10/10/23 at 08:42:59
 
And:

NEW: Internal CBP data provided & confirmed by CBP sources reveals thousands of “special interest aliens” from mostly Middle Eastern countries have been apprehended by Border Patrol while crossing into U.S. illegally over last 2 years.

Syria: 538
Yemen: 139
Iran: 659
Iraq: 123
Afghanistan: 6,386
Lebanon: 164
Egypt: 3,153
Pakistan: 1,613
Mauritania: 15,594
Uzbekistan: 13,624
Turkey: 30,830

Date range 10/1/2021 - 10/4/2023

These are Border Patrol apprehensions between ports of entry only, this data does not include CBP encounters at ports of entry.

Border Patrol sources tell me they have extreme concerns about who is coming into the country because they have little to no way of vetting people from these special interest countries. I’m told unless they have committed a crime previously in the US, or they are on some sort of federal watchlist, there’s no way to know who they are because most of their home countries don’t share data/records with the US so there is nothing to match a name to when BP agents run fingerprints.

A special interest alien is a term used by the U.S. government to refer to people coming from countries that have conditions that favor or harbor terrorism, or pose a potential national security to the U.S.
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Reply #38 - 10/10/23 at 10:32:19
 
WebsterMark wrote on 10/10/23 at 08:17:09:
Holy $hit…..



“It’s not a war, it’s not a battlefield. You see the babies, the mother, the father, in their bedrooms, in their protection rooms, and how the terrorists killed them,” IDF Major General Itai Veruv said. “It’s a massacre.”


That's exactly what war is. I have a friend who is a therapist in a trauma center for war victims. He told a vieuw things. It is unbelievable what people do to each other. .it shows how thin the veneer of civilization is. That is also why so many veterans come back broken. PTSD and worse.
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Reply #39 - 10/10/23 at 13:32:11
 
WebsterMark wrote on 10/10/23 at 08:42:59:
“special interest aliens”
Syria: 538
Yemen: 139
Iran: 659
Iraq: 123
Afghanistan: 6,386
Lebanon: 164
Egypt: 3,153
Pakistan: 1,613
Mauritania: 15,594
Uzbekistan: 13,624
Turkey: 30,830

Date range 10/1/2021 - 10/4/2023


No No no,
can't be right.
Is NOT happening !!!

Just ask ANY
'WOKE', UL, DFI, FDS, Socialist !!!!!!!!!

(And the, 'woke', Puppet Media)

And when the above, commit a crime,
Kill someone with a gun,
it is the GUN"S FAULT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just ask ANY UL, FDS, DFI, WOKE, Socialist !








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