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Reply #195 - Yesterday at 14:13:46
 
DragBikeMike wrote on Yesterday at 13:23:46:
Yes, I am baffled regarding the detonation.  It doesn't surprise me that I have a detonation issue with the higher compression setups, but it baffles me that the 94mm engines with similar or even higher compression didn't experience detonation damage, while the 97mm engines seemed to go over the cliff at lower cranking pressures.  I understand that the flame has a bit more distance to travel, it just doesn't seem like 1.5mm on the radius would result in this problem.



And a small increase can, have major consequences.
longer flame path.
larger “end-gas” zone (the last mixture that has not yet burned)
so more time for that mixture to ignite spontaneously.
The surface area also becomes larger, so more heat is absorbed.

I think you shouldn't see it as 1 2 3 4 5, but more as 1-2-4-8-16-32.
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Reply #196 - Yesterday at 18:29:17
 
I would like to get Wiseco involved and see what they have to say.  It just seems really weird that going from 94mm to 97mm creates such havoc.

That is an increase of 3.2% in diameter, and increase of 6.5% in area.

If it is necessary to drop the compression ratio to allow the 97mm to survive and avoid detonation - which piston will create the more power and more durable engine?

Would dropping from 220psi cranking pressure to 210psi be sufficient?  the 97mm Pop Top didn't show any detonation issues at 200 psi.
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Reply #197 - Today at 03:38:43
 
I have no experience tuning 4-strokes, but there are similarities with a 2-stroke.
End gas is when the mixture has not yet been reached by the flame,
but is already being compressed and heated.
Due to that pressure and temperature, spontaneous combustion can occur (detonation).

I would look for the solution in that squish gap, because if there is good mixing of the mixture due to a powerful squish flow, there is less chance of end gas detonating. More squish velocity = better combustion, and a narrow squish gap cools the end gas located there.

Personally, I find that my Savage cylinder gets very hot.
My intuition tells me that tuning can cause problems, especially if the diameter increases.
Lowering the compression might be a solution and an easy option. When I look at the Dipsidoedel in the exhaust channel, which looks like the Strait of Hormuz. Then I think the exhaust side gets much hotter than the intake side, more so than is the case with other engine brands.

So the combustion dynamics in the combustion chamber must be optimal, and the carburetor and ignition settings also require closer attention. Making sure you don't inhale hot air from the engine can also help.

Just my two cents, Bless you. learned a lot from this tread.
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