Duration and intensity are the issue.

 The average human will have more severe symptoms by measurements of duration of time and intensity from an actual flu than from a flu shot.  The continued voluntary flu shot clinics indicate by the millions, that humans prefer the flu shot side effects over the actual flu.

 I had collarbone surgery and they symptoms were:
pain
redness and swelling in the area
reduced movement.


 After surgery the listed side effects were:
pain
redness and swelling in the area
reduced movement

 And also include things like bleeding, infections, loss of connected limb, or death.

 So obviously I should have not gotten the surgery because the side effects were exactly the same or worse.  Unless you take into account intensity and duration.

Surgery for something.
Is the same as the Flu ?

 The comparison of side effects is the same.

 When we isolate symptoms and side effects, while leaving out all other factors I would think almost any medical procedure, or medication, would look the same, or worse, if you choose treatment.

 Specific to the flu, millions of people choosing the shot over the disease indicates that many, many people have decided the duration and intensity of the actual flu is less desirable than the exact same symptoms from the shot.

 If the shot caused the same amount of symptoms for the same amount of time, I doubt as many people would elect freely to take it.

 I don't know what the CDC has to say about Flu symptom duration versus flu shot duration.  Maybe wherever you got your information would indicate this.

Would you be okay with being required to have collarbone surgery to avoid a broken collarbone? And that everyone speaks to you indignantly if you do not want to undergo such an operation?

 No.


 Do you think it makes sense to compare side effects and symptoms, only, with zero consideration for severity or duration of either?  Essentially implying the side effects of medications are equal to the disease itself?

 Yes or No please.

Eegore wrote on 08/06/23 at 20:07:46:


Stated, twice, where the info came from.

And no, the CDC did NOT, choose to indicate duration's at that location.

Those are two questions. Can you make one of them that I can answer with yes or no?

And I think my answer is Yes


 Do you think it makes sense to compare side effects and symptoms, only, with zero consideration for severity or duration of either?  Basically if a drug causes pain, but less pain then the disease, does it make sense to ignore that and only look at the word "pain" with no other factors like how much pain.

No.
But pain is a warning and therefore it is suspicious if a drug induces pain. What disease are we talking about?

Can't we heal it in a different way than just fighting the symtons?

And why are we so obsessed with staying alive? Everyone who died says it's more beautiful on the other side than here.
Or is it dying itself that we fear so much?

Please say yes or no.

One by one would be fine.